Talk:Khazar myth

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Brainstar worthy?

This is a really sexy article, and I nominate it for a brainstar. What say you? Rand0 (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe one day, but not today. Tielec01 (talk) 02:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Needs more content. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

There's a botched Footnote

At the end of this page there appears to be a botched footnote. Could someone please fix that? Pizzameister (talk) 22:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Ruth is a biblical figure

Even Wikipedia says Ruth is a biblical figure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_(biblical_figure)

and does not try to pass this off as actual history (as they often do). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_(biblical_figure) Keith McClary (talk) 19:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not a great idea to put much weight on stories with so little historical evidence. What we can do is analyse how later Jewish authorities accept this legendary convert in order to deduce their attitude to conversion in general. Although if Ruth didn't exist, and Abraham and David didn't exist (which is also claimed), that only indicates that Jews are even less of an isolated ethnic group than was suspected. --Gospatric (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Ancient DNA

The article doesnot address several recent Ancient DNA studies that proved and settled the question of which people are descendants of the Ancient population of Palestine/Israel. (see work of Iosif Lazaridis, Eran Elhaik and M.Haber).the Article title and content should change to reflect the latest results.

" Interestingly, in a recent ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004), the ancient individuals clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews. Ashkenazic Jews clustered away from these ancient Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4974603/Rational rational (talk) 16:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)--Rational rational (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Origin of this myth

The article mentions the origins as being The Thirteenth Tribe, published in 1971, but Benjamin Freedman teaches the Khazar theory in his speech given in 1961. Was he the origin of this idea or has it been going around before he came onto the scene? --The Real Warren Jeffs (talk) 05:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

It started in the nineteenth century probably. ^{— Unsigned, by: 103.195.250.168 / talk}

Indeed. Rabbi Isaac Baer Levinsohn, who lived in the Russian Empire and died in 1860, suggested that his fellow Russian Ashkenazic Jews came from Khazaria. This is mentioned on page 207 of The Jews of Khazaria, Third Edition by Kevin Alan Brook, citing page 18 of Jacob S. Raisin's The Haskalah Movement in Russia and page 127 of Jits van Straten's The Origin of Ashkenazi Jewry. The myth was repeated widely in Jewish publications in the 1950s and 1960s with even major historians like Salo Baron and Cecil Roth and the Israeli diplomat Abba Eban agreeing with it to an extent.

There is a best-seller Yugoslavian book called "Khazarian dictionary", written by Milorad Pavić. I haven't read it, but was one of recommended literature in high school.
Another thing about Khazars is that it is used in Serbian right-wing conspirational circles in the same rhetoric as in the alt-right's.109.245.38.209 (talk) 18:24, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Freedman promoted it years before that, in his 1954 book. Chillpilled (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)