Talk:Kim Jong-il

	This Communism related article has not received a brainstar for quality. Please consider expanding the article appropriately. See RationalWiki:Article rating for more information.

Glorious Dear Propaganda

Does anyone know whether or not North Koreans actually believe the propaganda the North Korean government made about him? My guess is most don't. Sam ^Tally-ho! 03:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

There's a comic called "Pyongyang", written and drawn by a French-Canadian animator who lived in North Korea for a few months while overseeing an animation project there. Apparently the comic is pretty much true to his experiences. Everyone he talked to seemed to at least buy into the "North Korea is best" idea, but he was also pretty controlled in who he was allowed to talk to. So who knows. Official visitors to the country are only really allowed into Pyongyang and the immediate surrounding area to begin with, and citizens of the country need to be allowed to live there (I can't remember where I read that). X Stickman (talk) 03:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I remember reading that most think it's exaggerated, but they still think he was kind and all-knowing leader and that the rest of the world is out to get NK. Rapier (talk) 03:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I suspect that the brainwashing & wall to wall propaganda is semi-effective, but people can't be 100% deluded by it. E.g. they must realise that their country has some serious poverty problems, & the few who have any interaction with outsiders (like the animators DeLisle meets in Pyongyang) must know that people in other countries have far greater personal freedom. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute. The propaganda includes a tale of a man who ate his fill and exploded? North Korea steals from Monty Python? --163.153.177.4 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

But seriously . . .

Most or all of that section belongs in the North Korea article, as it's more about social conditions & propaganda under the regime rather than KJI specifically. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

How do we categorize these guys?

"Those who responded to the pamphlets were sent away to different uninhabited islands along with the disabled in an attempt to rid the next generation of their supposedly substandard genes."

See, even though we have him under the category of "commie" this seems like it would fit under "fascist" much better, and under his rule all refernces to communism were ommited under the NK constitution, plus it's of the opinion of the vast majority of scholars that Juche is actually more ethnic fascist than communist. Can we have a single guy under both the commie and fascist page? Should we just put him under both extreme wingnuttery and moonbattery? What's the deal here? ClothCoat (talk) 04:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Functionally theres little actual difference between real world communism and fascism, they just use some different terms and somewhat different views on business, otherwise it's all the same oppression. As for this, we could call it a hereditary monarchy because thats what north korea actually is.--Miekal 04:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)