Talk:Millennialism

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As I recall, doesn't the millennialist view cover a lot of blind support of Israel, regardless of its actions, because having a state is a requirement for Biblical prophesy? Of course, that would also suggest that such support is disingeneous, since it's not for the Iseaelis' sake, but simply using them as a tool to hasten the apocalypse and thus their own ascention. --Kels 14:42, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Yes, I think that is mostly some of the dispensationalists. As I recall, it's linked to some passages in the Books of Daniel and Ezekiel which speak of the rebuilding of Jerusalem and of a Third Temple as happening before the arrival of the Messiah. Or something like that, I forget the details. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:11, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Secular ideologies section[edit]

I have to question whether it is really appropriate to extend the concept of millennarianism outside the Christian religion, because the argument could be made that every belief system can be fit into such a framework. If you don't believe me, I'll do it with the worldview of most RationalWiki editors:\\

If American:\\ Eden: The Great Society\\ The Fall: Either the triumph of Nixon's Southern Strategy, or the Reagan revolution, depending on one's focus\\ Second Coming: Hard to say; probably something like the Republican Party fading into irrelevance\\ The Millennium: Education reform\\ New Jerusalem: Secular humanism\\

If not American:\\ Eden: The Enlightenment\\ The Fall: It's tempting to say "the entire 19th century", because it could really be any of a) the romantic movement (which was the first reaction against reason), b) World War I (first made people question progress), c) World War II (proved there is no atrocity too evil for humans to commit), or d) the revelation of Stalin's behavior (as non-Soviets had previously dismissed them all as slander)\\ Second Coming: RationalWiki and other skeptic sites (granted this seemed more plausible before 2009...)\\ The Millennium: New Atheism or any of its schismatic variations\\ New Jerusalem: The last acceptable prejudice being vanquished\\

This suggests that either 1)belief that the future will be better than the present is insufficient to be considered millenarian, or 2) millennialism is not necessarily bad. Either option would require a rewrite of this section. (Note that stating this IN NO WAY implies that I think any of these movements will succeed...) --User:Brendan Rizzo, 23:52 (UST), 2017-07-14

At a glance...[edit]

...this article looks to be but a fistful of added sources (and a polish-pass or two) away from Silver. Nice! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 20:38, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

millennialism vs millenarianism[edit]

Is there any difference between millenarianism, millennialism, and chiliasm? Wikipedia suggests there can be a difference:
millenarianism is used to refer to a more cataclysmic and destructive arrival of a utopian period as compared to millennialism which is often used to denote a more peaceful arrival and is more closely associated with a one thousand year utopia.
But that may just be one person's opinion, and Merriam-Webster's entry for millennialism just refers to millenarianism.[1] --Annanoon (talk) 17:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)