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"The relative similarities of NDE accounts imply a biological origin." – Why would that be? Note that I'm not questioning the likelihood of a biological origin, it's just the implication "similarity => biological origin" that I don't get. This is logically equivalent to stating that in order to be of non-biological origin, the experiences would have to be relatively diverse. Why? --I'm bored (talk) 19:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

one study I read back in the late 1970's said that the experiances of many people seemed to fit a pattern of searching past experiance for an answer and reaching a memory of birth. Apparently the brain only reads memories forward , so you would expect segements of past events ('my life flashed before my eyes') and the birth experiance fits with 'I passed into a bright tunnel with a light at the end of it, and a welcoming presence'. If it was a true religeous (spiritual) thing then either many religions got it wrong or you dont experiance the expected thing when you are dying. Some stories though do include angels, dead relatives or friends, God himself, spirit animals etc. so perhaps there is a differnce in pre-death vs actual death and actual death dont come back to tell Hamster (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Near-death, distorted Paul Zachary Myers on the NDE Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


Hindu actually saw heaven![edit]

https://www.google.com/search?q=mahesh+chavda&oq=mahesh+cha&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j5j0&client=tablet-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

Hindu sees God in heaven!

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid&q=site%3Ayoutube.com%20%22a%20warning%20to%22%20%22before%20it's%20too%20late%22%20%22aprilandwayne&rct=j


Former Muslims warning America about Sharia

So, you claim different cultures would have different Near Death Experiences... However, notice how a Hindu and many former Muslims saw heaven/hell! Even a Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in hell! Can you explain this? Because they're from cultures where Christianity isn't common!--GoodFight310 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


These are searches not pages. Google doesn't return the same results for everyone, FYI. Ikanreed (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Different cultures had similar dragon mythology without any communication or similarities. I guess dragons are real too. Trick (talk) 18:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I think that a more parsimonious explanation would be the existence of the British Empire and Christian missionaries. Not to mention that the reports may not be necessarily accurate.--ZooGuard (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I heard once about a Star Trek fan who was really into the mythos and who saw a Star Trek version of heaven in a near death experience. Can't seem to find a ref on it now though.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 22:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
The report about a Buddhist monk seeing "Buddha" in hell has been exposed as a lie. BonzoTheBear (talk) 03:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

A pastor[edit]

In Nov 2001, One Pastor, Daniel Ekechukwu, Nigeria died in car accident. His dead body came back to life, during Prayer Meeting of Pastor Bonke. After coming back to life he narrated his experience. He said, angels took him to heaven and hell. Every activity of him was recorded. The misappropriation what he did with Church Money also was recorded against him. Lord told, 'I give a chance to go back to the earth,that was refused to the rich man. This episode also you can watch in youtube.— Unsigned, by: 174.25.48.75 / talk 09:11, 29 March 2015‎

Of course he did - and I'm pretty sure he also had an uncle who is the ex-President and would like to send you a million dollars if you just advance him a paltry $10,000 to get it... ScepticWombat (talk) 10:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, that story has completely convinced me. What sensible person could have any doubts about story like that?--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 10:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
I died and went to Fu Kang Bool Shet were I met the magical sky fairy of Ut Tur Krap and he read to me about my glorious conquest of Bal Lone Nay. Ut Tur Krap loves you!
Now please give me $10000 so I can explain how you to can get to Fu Kang Bool Shet.Derp cat (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

If you think people who died and went o hell weren't really dead...[edit]

You dumbass, after 5 minutes without oxygen, you are completely brain dead. The ones that were dead past that had no brain function left to cause that!!--75.175.67.211 (talk) 13:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

How long have you been without oxygen? --Scherben (talk) 19:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

A simple explanation?[edit]

I've always thought that explaining a near-death experience as anything other than memories from a form of unconsciousness a simple matter. Death - true death - means a brain that is no longer functioning and since memories are physical (a combination of electrical impulses and chemical sequences) a dead brain doesn't create and maintain electrical impulses or record and recall chemical sequences. Any memories of an afterlife couldn't just appear in the brain out of nowhere. If a person's consciousness and/or soul were able to somehow leave the body and return, any afterlife experiences couldn't be recalled. This is of course assuming the afterlife and soul exist in the first place and even if they do were somehow limited to linear time as we understand it, but without making such a cognitive leap, saying "Dead brains can't record memories" makes for a nice, short & sweet explanation.

The obvious question[edit]

So, how come these people who have near death experiences never go to hell? CorruptUser (talk) 23:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Some do, but it is rare. Snokw (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Blind People[edit]

It said that Blind people are claimed as proof because they can see it followed by an explanation that they saw what they wanted. Somebody removed the explanation of them simply seeing what they wanted (instead of magic/divine forces being at work) because blind people can't physically see at all. I reverted this, then decided that was technically right so took the whole sentence out. It had no references so I later Googled it and found debunked claims of blind people having NDES. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Err – at the risk of being lit on fire, see Ring, K, and Cooper, S. "Near-death and out-of-body experiences in the blind: A study of apparent eyeless vision," Journal of Near-Death Studies, 16 no. 2 (1997), 101-147. doi:10.1023/A:1025010015662. Koi "dammit Koi stop making such long sigs!" development 19:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Random comment by BoN[edit]

This is a common problem in neuroscience; there's a near-fanatical devotion to scientific materialism that, ironically enough, leads to some very unscientific attitudes and assumptions. The truth is that, while neuroscience can say that cognitive events and biological/neurological events might be correlated, there is no way to establish a causal relationship - in other words, does the thought cause the neurons to fire or does the firing of the neurons cause the thought? There's no evidence either way, but most neuroscientists have a strong and unwavering a priori assumption that it's the latter. In neuroscience the assumption will (nearly) always be that mental phenomena have a biological origin, even in the absence of evidence.— Unsigned, by: ‎75.175.107.92 / talk / contribs

The truth is that, while neuroscience can say that cognitive events and biological/neurological events might be correlated, there is no way to establish a causal relationship - in other words, does the thought cause the neurons to fire or does the firing of the neurons cause the thought? - This is a joke right? You can stimulate neurons casing them to fire and get thoughts, sensations, emotions, and motor activity. That's a causal relationship of neurons built upon for the diagnosis of some psychosocial disorders, epilepsy, Parkinson's, and procedures like deep brain stimulation, vagal nerve stimulation, brain surgery, spinal surgery... If this is your best point you really need some really basic education in biology. -14:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

"As an inspiration to religious figures "[edit]

The whole section should be deleted (the reference for the anecdote is this crap: http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/Secret-History-is-a-daft-conspiracy-theory-of-3231917.php). — Unsigned, by: 95.246.195.239 / talk / contribs

Thank you very much for pointing that out! The section in question has been deleted. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
If any religious leaders have actually written/spoken about NDEs, that would be interesting, but the John Paul II anecdote seems to be rubbish. Later, after his assassination attempt, John Paul apparently had an experience that doesn't resemble the stereotypical NDE where he felt calm and certain that he'd survive[1]. And the Wikipedia page Near-death experienceWikipedia's W.svg has a long list of people who've written about their NDEs, which mentions 3 people converted to Bahai, some New Agers, and one with a new-found interest in holograms, but seems notably lacking in people becoming Pope as a result of NDEs. Annquin (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


Proof hell exits[edit]

https://youtu.be/6lhhEvfSaSA
https://youtu.be/L7FkyF4ux70

https://youtu.be/t-6UViZAMSA THIS MAN CAME FACE TO FACE WITH THE DEVIL AFTER HE DROWNED (BREATHTAKING NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE) https://youtu.be/-dWQ2WzQCFc https://youtu.be/-dWQ2WzQCFc

THIS MAN DIED FROM DRUG OVERDOSE, WENT TO HELL, AND THEN JESUS TOOK HIM TO HEAVEN!

https://youtu.be/KJeunMJvu14

https://youtu.be/AYxKRoONrfY

https://youtu.be/L7FkyF4ux70

https://youtu.be/HGQDkCi-OIY

Tamara Laroux Shot Herself, & Went to Hell, Then to Heaven and BACK!!


https://youtu.be/6lhhEvfSaSA
https://youtu.be/L7FkyF4ux70

https://youtu.be/AWl5OFZjZeM

Demon Cries Out For Satan's Help When He Punches Pastor

face it your all goign to hell if you dont repent so do so heathens



I have read his book 23 minutes in Hell and Mary K Baxter's A divine Revelation of Hell

I have now accept Jesus Christ as my lord and Savior. Praise God!!!!!!!!

MANY PEOPLE WILL DIE AND WAKE UP IN THE NEXT WORLD IN HELL. WHY? BECAUSE THEY HAVE REJECTED GOD'S WORD (THE BIBLE). THEY HAVE SPIT IN GOD'S FACE WITH REJECTION OF HIS BEING AND WORD. THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED FOR THEY SINS AND HAVE LIVED AN EARTHLY LIFE OF SELF WORTH AND SELF INTELLECTUAL BELIEF. THEY HAVE MADE SATAN THEIR FATHER.

FOR THESE REASONS GOD WILL NOT KNOW YOU, NOR WILL YOU BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO HIS HEAVENLY KINGDOM WHEN YOU DIE. THIS YOU CAN COUNT ON, YOU WILL DIE.

hell is real heaven is real god is real and same with satan angels are real and demons are real as well there all real — Unsigned, by: 172.223.212.195 / talk 19 November 2017

There is a place in the afterlife where people are made to write out one or more sets of 1000 lines 'I must switch off the caps lock when writing on RW (and other wiki) talk pages/articles, and I must sign my postings.' and 'I must not promote unproven doom and gloom claims' Anna Livia (talk) 11:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


A kid went to heaven after brain trauma[edit]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-other-explanation-but-god-boy-regains-consciousness-after-brain-trauma/

https://www.menshealth.com/trending-news/a20264796/brain-injury-boy-recovers-before-doctors-removed-him-from-life-support/

https://www.facebook.com/Newswatch16/videos/10155654843557756/

THis kid has no reason to lie. It's a complete miracle and you cannot deny it.

Sign your contributions. Besides the above references are not necessarily 'reliable sources' - and claims of NDEs would be considered more valid if they had a wider range of descriptions (particularly if 'out of local culture and expectations'). Anna Livia (talk) 11:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Near-death experience are quite common and probably most of the people who report them are not lying. It is not their truthfulness which is in doubt. What has not been demonstrated is that the NDA s are anything more than hallucinations produced by damaged and dying brains. Finding another NDA adds nothing to the argument.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 12:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)