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The relative similarities...

"The relative similarities of NDE accounts imply a biological origin." – Why would that be? Note that I'm not questioning the likelihood of a biological origin, it's just the implication "similarity => biological origin" that I don't get. This is logically equivalent to stating that in order to be of non-biological origin, the experiences would have to be relatively diverse. Why? --I'm bored (talk) 19:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

one study I read back in the late 1970's said that the experiances of many people seemed to fit a pattern of searching past experiance for an answer and reaching a memory of birth. Apparently the brain only reads memories forward , so you would expect segements of past events ('my life flashed before my eyes') and the birth experiance fits with 'I passed into a bright tunnel with a light at the end of it, and a welcoming presence'. If it was a true religeous (spiritual) thing then either many religions got it wrong or you dont experiance the expected thing when you are dying. Some stories though do include angels, dead relatives or friends, God himself, spirit animals etc. so perhaps there is a differnce in pre-death vs actual death and actual death dont come back to tell Hamster (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Near-death, distorted Paul Zachary Myers on the NDE Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Hindu actually saw heaven!

https://www.google.com/search?q=mahesh+chavda&oq=mahesh+cha&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j5j0&client=tablet-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8

Hindu sees God in heaven!

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid&q=site%3Ayoutube.com%20%22a%20warning%20to%22%20%22before%20it's%20too%20late%22%20%22aprilandwayne&rct=j

Former Muslims warning America about Sharia

So, you claim different cultures would have different Near Death Experiences... However, notice how a Hindu and many former Muslims saw heaven/hell! Even a Buddhist Monk saw Buddha in hell! Can you explain this? Because they're from cultures where Christianity isn't common!--GoodFight310 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

These are searches not pages. Google doesn't return the same results for everyone, FYI. Ikanreed (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Different cultures had similar dragon mythology without any communication or similarities. I guess dragons are real too. Trick (talk) 18:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I think that a more parsimonious explanation would be the existence of the British Empire and Christian missionaries. Not to mention that the reports may not be necessarily accurate.--ZooGuard (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I heard once about a Star Trek fan who was really into the mythos and who saw a Star Trek version of heaven in a near death experience. Can't seem to find a ref on it now though.--Bob^{"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that."} 22:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The report about a Buddhist monk seeing "Buddha" in hell has been exposed as a lie. BonzoTheBear (talk) 03:21, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

A pastor

In Nov 2001, One Pastor, Daniel Ekechukwu, Nigeria died in car accident. His dead body came back to life, during Prayer Meeting of Pastor Bonke. After coming back to life he narrated his experience. He said, angels took him to heaven and hell. Every activity of him was recorded. The misappropriation what he did with Church Money also was recorded against him. Lord told, 'I give a chance to go back to the earth,that was refused to the rich man. This episode also you can watch in youtube.^{— Unsigned, by: 174.25.48.75 / talk} 09:11, 29 March 2015‎

Of course he did - and I'm pretty sure he also had an uncle who is the ex-President and would like to send you a million dollars if you just advance him a paltry $10,000 to get it... ScepticWombat (talk) 10:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, that story has completely convinced me. What sensible person could have any doubts about story like that?--Bob^{"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that."} 10:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I died and went to Fu Kang Bool Shet were I met the magical sky fairy of Ut Tur Krap and he read to me about my glorious conquest of Bal Lone Nay. Ut Tur Krap loves you!

Now please give me $10000 so I can explain how you to can get to Fu Kang Bool Shet.Derp cat (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

If you think people who died and went o hell weren't really dead...

You dumbass, after 5 minutes without oxygen, you are completely brain dead. The ones that were dead past that had no brain function left to cause that!!--75.175.67.211 (talk) 13:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

How long have you been without oxygen? --Scherben (talk) 19:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

It's not that easy. Generally, supporters of the assertion that NDEs are veridical will assert that at least many, though clearly not all, of these experiences occur in a state in which brain function cannot exist. To which detractors will respond that, well, it may very well be that there has never been brain function in a comparable physiological state that was detectable with whatever means were used to look for it, but this does not imply that there would be no brain function detectable at all, if one were using more sensitive instruments. The dying are rarely in MRI scanners when it happens, which is why brain death is usually established by proxy (absence of brainstem-mediated reflexes), and which is why there is a plenitude of rat and mouse studies on brain activity following cessation of cardiopulmonary function. In other words, you need to differentiate between what "brain death" definitorily is (cessation of all brain activity) and what the term is effectively used for (absence of brain-stem reflexes, in which brain activity could still be occuring). That said, it's a slippery slope. There might always be infinitesimally harder-to-detect brain activities occuring, and the only situation in which anyone would assert that brain activity could not occur (pervasive physical disintegration of the brain) is impossible to reverse, so that it would never be possible to find out whether people who have that happen to them report NDEs at a lesser rate than people with intact brains and otherwise-established cessation of brain function. Dimmu Borgir (talk) 15:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

The obvious question

So, how come these people who have near death experiences never go to hell? CorruptUser (talk) 23:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Some do, but it is rare. Snokw (talk) 09:33, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Blind People

It said that Blind people are claimed as proof because they can see it followed by an explanation that they saw what they wanted. Somebody removed the explanation of them simply seeing what they wanted (instead of magic/divine forces being at work) because blind people can't physically see at all. I reverted this, then decided that was technically right so took the whole sentence out. It had no references so I later Googled it and found debunked claims of blind people having NDES. TheAtheistComrade (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Err – at the risk of being lit on fire, see Ring, K, and Cooper, S. "Near-death and out-of-body experiences in the blind: A study of apparent eyeless vision," Journal of Near-Death Studies, 16 no. 2 (1997), 101-147. doi:10.1023/A:1025010015662. #CantComeUpWithACleverSignature 19:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Random comment by BoN

This is a common problem in neuroscience; there's a near-fanatical devotion to scientific materialism that, ironically enough, leads to some very unscientific attitudes and assumptions. The truth is that, while neuroscience can say that cognitive events and biological/neurological events might be correlated, there is no way to establish a causal relationship - in other words, does the thought cause the neurons to fire or does the firing of the neurons cause the thought? There's no evidence either way, but most neuroscientists have a strong and unwavering a priori assumption that it's the latter. In neuroscience the assumption will (nearly) always be that mental phenomena have a biological origin, even in the absence of evidence.^{— Unsigned, by: ‎75.175.107.92 / talk / contribs}

The truth is that, while neuroscience can say that cognitive events and biological/neurological events might be correlated, there is no way to establish a causal relationship - in other words, does the thought cause the neurons to fire or does the firing of the neurons cause the thought? - This is a joke right? You can stimulate neurons casing them to fire and get thoughts, sensations, emotions, and motor activity. That's a causal relationship of neurons built upon for the diagnosis of some psychosocial disorders, epilepsy, Parkinson's, and procedures like deep brain stimulation, vagal nerve stimulation, brain surgery, spinal surgery... If this is your best point you really need some really basic education in biology. -14:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)