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urgh damn what else linked there? monk? ħumanUser talk:Human 07:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Victims[edit]

Not all religious sisters are necessarily merciful, see Magdalene laundry.

Irish women "guilty" of having illegitimate children were sometimes forced to live as virtual slaves in the Magdalene asylums. Some ended up there simply because they were considered in moral danger. By the 20th century, unwed mothers, rape victims and generally "wayward" women were considered eligible inmates.

According to Roman Catholic teaching, virginity is a matter of the mind and the will. Those who are forced to have sex unwillingly remain virgins. The Church ignored its own teachings, in putting rape victims in these asylums. Because they ignored it, they could benefit from the unpaid forced labour of the unfortunate women throughout their lives.

Women were also sent to them because they were considered too pretty, too ugly, too clever or too silly. Again, according to Roman Catholic teaching, this was the way God made them. It does not seem reasonable to punish women for being the way God made them. Again, the Church profited from ignoring its teachings.

A wide range of innocent women and girls were sent to Magdalene asylums because someone in authority felt they were sexually active or might become sexually active. A wide range of women and girls who were strong enough to wash clothes were sent to a life of grinding misery in Magdalene laundries, while the Roman Catholic Church profited from their unpaid labour.

One reason women and girls who were considered ugly or silly were sent to the asylums was because, supposedly, they were vulnerable to seduction, and men were vulnerable to temptation by them. Physically or mentally handicapped women and girls were not sent to Magdalene laundries. These women would certainly seem to be as vulnerable to seduction as the unattractive or silly. However, these disabled women would not be capable of washing clothes. Since the Church could not profit from their unpaid labour, and would have had to pay to provide for them, they were not institutionalized. [2]
I agree it needs to be included, just not that way. There is no connection from the prior sentence to that on... no statement of nuns being merciful at all. Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans 14:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Leadership Conference of Women Religious[edit]

I don't know if the Leadership Conference of Women Religious have been "emphasizing the importance of women being able to control the size of their families for both economic and personal health reasons" or not. I do know birth control is just one of many areas where the LCWR disagrees with the Vatican and giving that undue prominence distorts their position. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

The link below shows many areas where the LCWR disagrees with the Vatican, An American Nun Responds To Vatican Criticism. Focusing only on birth control is the logical fallacy known as cherry picking. Proxima Centauri (talk) 11:14, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

There are plenty of men in the RC Church holding heretical views of various kinds. Why did the pope crack down on the women so early in his reign? Was this opposition to heresy or opposition to feminism? We don't know yet. A year from now we should know whether male heretics face similar restrictions. Looking for evidence whether the women are picked on could get information that improves the article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Vincent Nichols said in an interview:
"the old language – of mortal sin, for example – was... a misguided attempt to motivate the faithful."[1][2] This is a bit ambiguous but the easiest interpretation is that Nichols denies the Roman Catholic doctrine of Mortal sin. Nobody had demanded that Nichols retract or clarify his position. Nichols is one of many RC heretics according to one blog. [3] Vincent Nichols and the others haven't been given the same hard time as the women. Is that because they're men?

  1. Pope Benedict is a man of real poise, with an inner peace
  2. [1]
  3. (Archbishop) Vincent Nichols bashes the blogs

Proxima Centauri (talk) 19:32, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


Or it would be you and your vendetta. Fuck your opinions in articles. Fuck your rhetorical questions in articles. Stop it. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 09:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Buddhist nuns[edit]

As they are mentioned in the introduction, there should be something about them in the article (and at least a passing mention of Angican nuns). 171.33.222.26 (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you know enough to write about both subjects? Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Does this make the article worse?[edit]

Pope Francis also supported the critics, [1] the first response of the women was a non-committal hope that discussions would "bear fruit". [2]

  1. Pope Francis maintains Vatican stance against US nuns' groupCommunique of The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Concerning a Meeting with the Presidency of The Leadership Conference of Women Religious in The USA
  2. LCWR Statement on Meeting with CDF
Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:25, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes it does, because it's basically waffle. Maybe you should make the section on this group into its own article, instead of having half an article about nuns filled up with stuff about a single group. SophieWilder 19:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I've shortened the section drastically and started a new article, Leadership Conference of Women Religious. Proxima Centauri (talk) 11:16, 25 April 2013 (UTC)