Talk:Omnipotence paradox

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This Objection to Omnipotence is just Semantics

To claim that this defeats omnipotence is like saying God (or any power) isn't omnipotent because it can't destroy itself. And, yes, God is subject to logic, which is not a thing, but a relationship to things, again illustrating the same idea. It's like saying Russell's Paradox and Godel's Incompleteness Theorems means mathematics and logic are wrong just because you can't ever have a mathematical system that can prove every statement from a given set of axioms. 2602:306:CD96:CC10:992B:713D:4593:7B86 (talk) 01:56, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

You're wrong and have no idea how to do logic. Bye! ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion

Only a certain proportion of deities claim to be omnipotent (some even know when and how they are going to die).

Perhaps the issue is actually a trade-off - either 'God is omnipotent in a universe that exists without sentient life, but according to strict scientific laws' or 'God delegates some of [relevant pronoun] potency to the sentient entities that God has created - and the omnipotence is collective (we, after all, can conceive of the concept of omnipotence). Anna Livia (talk) 00:38, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I think the question of whether there can be more than one omnipotent being is a different, though similar, paradox . . . More to the point, should multiple omnipotent beings actually be considered separate beings? Is your mind blown?! I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN!!! --Bertrc (talk) 20:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

A possible solution

An omnipotent God 'creates the universe' which is not 'a solid thing' and so can be moved around like a liquid (there is nothing that says that 'the large thing' has to be a solid object).

The universe generates black holes which 'suck bits of God into them' and fast-spinning neutron stars which 'twisty-up' other bits of God.

As a result God is no longer capable of omnipotence. Anna Livia (talk) 00:14, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

But if God is omnipotent, couldn't She avoid being sucked up by black holes and twisted by neutron stars? Or are you proposing a solution a la "God can make a rock She can't lift by creating a big rock and removing Her omnipotence"? --Bertrc (talk) 20:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

It does depend partly upon how omnipresent 'the Deity (or collection of Deities, as some of the issues will still apply in such circumstances) is' - and 'black holes, neutron stars and other peculiar bits of the universe' may well be integral parts of God.

Also - the Deity may have the capacity/potential to be omnipotent and omnipresent, but chooses not to fully exercise such abilities (finding it more interesting to 'observe what happens in these various contexts': giving sentients the equivalent of a colouring book and allowing them to determine the details) - or 'omnipotence' is actually 'omni-potential.' Anna Livia (talk) 14:06, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't follow the point, I'm afraid. How do black holes correlate to the Omnipotence paradox? I initially thought you were saying that God cannot avoid being sucked into black holes, so She cannot be omnipotent (or some such thing) Are you describing a possible "Omnipresence paradox", instead? --Bertrc (talk) 23:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)