Talk:Philippe Pétain

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Need for more detail and nuance regarding the clusterfudge

I am not a Pétain apologist in the slightest but this article to me confirms that RationalWiki is lagging behind when it comes to WWII history. Robert Paxton did not consider the Vichy regime fascist, it was more authoritarian conservative, although fascist parties definitely had influence. Laval is generally viewed as more of a colaborator then Pétain whose conviction is still hghly contested outside of far right circles. It even was at the time. The resurgence of the far right in France is likely to poison this debate but I hope it can be properly chronicled on this site regardless. Montesquieu (talk) 10:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

its not all about america

can we maybe not have crass links to american conservatives please? AMassiveGay (talk) 12:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I am fine with that but it seemed to fit the humerous tone of this wiki and the similar irony of not all that devout a Catholic and married to a divorced woman Pétain being embraced by certain far right catholics seems just too obvious to ignore. How would you like to change it? Montesquieu (talk) 10:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

just credit the reader with enough intelligence to get the point without having to spell it out with reference to entirely unrelated politicians in an unrelated country. aside from anything else, like sarah palin is now and donald trump will be (hopefully) in a year or so, it just really dates the article. we dont want to be constantly updating an article with more 'relevant' references as the current ones become less and less so AMassiveGay (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)