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Isn't there a similar passage later on, where someone offers members of his family to protect his guests? Hopefully someone who knows their Bible can supply the info. --Kels 13:31, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

There is one where a Levite offers up his concubine I think, but I can't remember the reference. If I remember she is gang raped all night but makes it back to die on his doorstep. He cuts her up and distributes her around the nation. Can't remember chapter and verse though.--Bob_M (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

See DocSock 13:47, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

That's...pretty damn twisted, right there. --Kels 13:48, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Hence the goats.DocSock 13:48, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

This is the one I was thinking of.

--Bob_M (talk) 13:58, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Damn, never read that one until now. Interestingly parallels Lot in the language, until the whacko dismemberment thing.--PalMD-yada yada 14:05, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes it is a sort of similar story isn't it? Have to wonder if it's not a wildly varied version of the same myth.--Bob_M (talk) 14:07, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

How come when indoctrinating children, they always leave those parts out? Can't we just teach our kids Buddhism?

I think I'm gonna change that userbox about the overall message of the Bible, to the overall message of the NT, I like Hippie-Jesus a lot more than Hitler-Moses. MiddleMan

Amen to that. The god of the OT seems alot more pissy and liable to order a city raped and killed than the NT god.Prof0705 14:17, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
I've heard it said that "the New Testament tells about the time God got religion." --Gulik 18:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Done, it now says the overarching message of Jesus... MiddleMan

Actually, the rape/pillage/burn thing didn't start until after Moses's death, under the leadership of his brother Joshua.--PalMD-yada yada 14:22, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Correction: Moses was OK with killing all the firstborns in Egypt (if the Exodus story were true), he also had 3000 of his own people killed (Golden Calf incident), of course there were also a Hitler-Joshua and a Hitler-David and so on... MiddleMan

I didn't realize Moses was a leftist... --Kels 14:29, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Wot - leftist in that he left some people alive?--Bob_M (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Nah, Andy thought us that mass murderers like Hitler are always leftists... MiddleMan

Actually, it was RobS who really pushed the Nazi=liberal thing. --Kels 14:38, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Ok, once and for all, let's make it clear. Moses didn't kill all the folks in the desert...Goddidit. Same with the whole angel of death/blue fog thingy. Biblical scholarship makes clear that Moses was a damn poor smiter. However, the conquest of Canaan, aided and abetted by God, was Josh's thing. Also, many of the other atrocities later on were due to humans (perhaps with Gods tacit approval). Most of the nasty bits of the first five books were committed directly by God. Some just for shits and giggles apparently. (Job is a separate book, however). --PalMD-yada yada 14:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

God is definitely a lefty--PalMD-yada yada 14:39, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Hold on therePalm. The Book of Joshua is full of mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing. All done with God's blessing.--Bob_M (talk) 14:40, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Exactly...Goddidit.--PalMD-yada yada 14:42, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Mmmm. Or rather people did it because they thought God told them to. Having said that it's all myth anyway.--Bob_M (talk) 14:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

So according Aschlafly and RobS mass murder=leftist. Leftist=Lib'ruls. So the Bible is full of Lib'ruls. But Lib'ruls=deceit, and deceit=evil. So through the wonders of the transitive property, the Bible is full of evil, and since Christianity is more or less = to the Bible, Christianity is more or less evil.Prof0705 14:45, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes, and apparently many people think we should live by these myths. I'll take reality any day. Forget the nasty God who smites a lot. Same with the folks who think that if you don't got Jesus, you don't got life.--PalMD-yada yada 14:47, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Ya know, I'm really glad I started this page. This is fun. (and I get to bring up buttsex)--PalMD-yada yada 14:48, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Now I'm suspicious..would someone who claims to be an MD, a highly trained doctor be so fascinated by buttsex? --Kels 14:55, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Now that I think of it, the Bible describes all these atrocities committed or approved by God, but what did Satan ever do? MiddleMan

He dared God to fuck with Job. God fell for it.--PalMD-yada yada 14:51, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
He baited all the humans into doing stuff that God would smite them for?Prof0705 14:54, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

No, I mean the really nasty stuff, when did Satan ever order the raping and pillaging of a town? When did he wipe out entire nations?

I'm telling you, Satan always knew God was f*cked in the head and unfit to rule, that's why he tried to stage a coup. MiddleMan

Actually it's interesting to contrast the attitudes of God and the Devil in The Fall. I must try and re-write the RW1 article.--Bob_M (talk) 15:00, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

The Old Testament does not speak much of Satan. All the ugly stuff is God's thing.--PalMD-yada yada 15:07, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes, I know you're the expert on Satan Palm. :-) but I agree. He's rather a minor player.--Bob_M (talk) 16:31, 30 May 2007 (CDT)


That was Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel, wasn't it? --Kels 16:41, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes, in the beginning.User:PalMD
It was also a speaker company. humanbe in 18:24, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

I loved "Jesus he knows me" (I believe in the family With my ever loving wife beside me, but she don't know about my girlfriend, or the man I met last night...), every time I read about Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc... I can't help thinking of that song! MiddleMan

Lot's visitors.[edit]

Actually this article is more about Lot's visitors and his response that it is about Sodomites. Although I suppose he was an inhabitant of Sodom.--Bob_M (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

True, and that is addressed. It is really the violation of the guests that is at issue. But from this story comes the term "Sodomy". I guess in Europe centuries later, guesting wasnt as important as avoiding buggery.--PalMD-yada yada 16:47, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, I'm off to get some sleep as my time zone is different. It only occurs to me that we need a gardening article on "sod" and an article on genus "homo". Good night,--Bob_M (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

the Cp version[edit]

It's hilarious, the two articles are word for word identical. How on earth could such a thing happen? I love flicking back and forth between the two tabs, you can read right along, but the colors change. And the flag turns to brains. humanbe in 18:23, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Very odd, that.--PalMD-yada yada 18:44, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
Yes, very odd. You wouldn't happen to know a guy, who knows a guy, who might know anything about that, would you? I refrained from adding the "cp" template because it would make the articles non-identical. We need a template that says "my sock added this exact file to CP on (date)" humanbe in 20:19, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
It already got the axe from Suspicious Sharon who is making other inquiries about the user who posted it. Suspicious little minx.--PalMD-yada yada 20:21, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
Also, see my addition to our main page about it.--PalMD-yada yada 20:22, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
Hey Sharon, aren't you supposed to be helping your sister's sysop bid? --Kels 20:29, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
SharonS is one more blunt tool at CP. I wrote her about those dumbass "term lists", regarding whether categories would make more sense, and she wrote me back some childish nonsense about them being "easier" for their target audience to digest. What, isolated homeschoolers? I thought the younger one was, the more web/computer-savvy one was! She doesn't use her sysop powers to attack, um, you know, sane people, but she might be an interesting case study in Andy's pedophilia. humanbe in 01:28, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
I notice TK has reversed his stance on BethanyS. His original comment was censored by Aschlafly, do I detect pressure from above? Babel fishÅЯṬђŮŖ ÐΣйṬNow look here! 03:42, 4 June 2007 (CDT)