Talk:Turkish nationalism

Some trivia

I have heard that the Turks think of themselves as a warrior nation. The one who told me that said it was about as valid as USAmericans thinking of ourselves as a frontier nation.

That same one mentioned that photography in rural Turkey could be iffy sometimes, since there were prohibitions on photographing "squalor." He once took a picture of some village women socializing and getting water at the çeşme, only to be harangued along the lines of "what do you think this is, Hollywood?"

He pretended not to understand them, waved graciously, and said "Thank you very much!" (in English, of course) Alec Sanderson (talk) 16:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Sun Language Theory

What would you think to making this a separate page? I think it could easily be one, and it would be pseudoscience so related to rationalWiki? Benn (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Article needs immediate expansion

It is quite annoying as someone invested in Turkish history and nationalism that this article was seemingly lazily pushed out without much effort or thought. Turkish nationalism is a very, very important part of history. As referenced by that one thing that happened in 1915, that one thing before the coup in 1980, this treasonous cunt, this other treasonous cunt, and the treasonous cunts he pardoned.

This article lacks depth on the major events in Turkish history that Turkish nationalism led to, and even fails to define what Turkish nationalism as a broad movement is and can be separated into. It needs expansion. Ozzyboo (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been an issue for a while. Where do you think we can start, though, just so we have a clearer idea how to improve the article? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

The easiest way to start, in my opinion, is to first separate the distinct types of Turkish nationalism. (I;E, Kemalism vs Turanism, one being civic nationalist, the other being ethnonationalist), then to make a concise history and timeline of what the roots of Turkish nationalism are. In this case, the roots are in the Nationalist Movement after WWI, as Atatürk had to quickly bring the very fractured population of the Ottoman empire together under one banner. The way he did this was through civic nationalism. Essentially, his viewpoint was that to bring the population together, he would have to make a national identity that was first and foremost not exclusionary based on race, and also open to anyone who wanted to be a part of it. This is the "civic" part of civic nationalism. Obviously it's a lot more nuanced than that, but that's just where the starting point can be.

I will say that the 'sun language theory' portion is almost entirely irrelevant and could be put in a subcategory under "Turanism". Turanism is basically Nazi Ayranism but with "Turks" instead of Aryans. (gross oversimplification). I can probably start editing this article soon myself. Ozzyboo (talk) 23:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I support a move to draftspace unless it undergoes massive expansion. Andrew5 (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)