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Chapter 1: The first batch of messages where Mario starts with zero stars because he pissed off God. Part 2: The second horde of words too horrible to describe. Disc 3: The third batch of words that are as boring as Stilton cheese.


You haz one. AceModerator 20:25, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Yah I do but I sometimes forget to check it. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 22:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Calling out libraries[edit]

A sysops has added a section to the terf article calling out public libraries for allowing a group like Meagan Murphy's to meet. I wonder if you would agree with making the library's public access policies an issue. When I hear nazi hate speech and compare that to women paranoid about trans-women in their safe spaces, I have a bit of sympathy for the latter because their concern does not seem based in hatred. See Terf Supportive Libraries. It's one thing to criticize terfs, I am uncertain about criticizing the libraries.Ariel31459 (talk) 20:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

It's not exactly Neo Nazi group but the language you use to describe terfs is sympathetic when in reality they are intolerant bigots who are unhealthily obssesed with genitals and chromosomes. It's the equivalent of libraries inviting homophobic groups to pander to their concerns about gays in their safe spaces. I think it's worthy being criticized because it always invites hostility to vulnerable groups and what libraries should do is prioritize and protect those vulnerable groups that have faced hostility and worse. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Basically, imagine if a public library invited a "Death to America/the West" imam to hold an event. Your reaction to that idea is probably pretty close to the way gays and trans people might react to homophobes, TERFs, or alt-righters doing the same thing. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 20:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
TERFs are most definitely not motivated by anything sympathetic, hell some of them even court fascists due to their shared bigotry. Oxyaena Harass 20:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Agree with the above two viewpoints. And if you think TERFs don't procure violent rhetoric, they do. Of course, there are more reasonable-sounding TERFs, but TERFs are toxic bigots, plain and simple. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:57, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't want to draw heavy lines under the obvious but, still, I am not apologizing for Terfs. Let them look after themselves. I am apologizing for public libraries. Library spaces are public spaces that invite the general public. Attempting to exclude terfs from libraries is pointless because it could not possibly be legal, at least in America. It could very well generate more hostility towards trans issues. I think that is likely. I am satisfied to have brought the matter up.Ariel31459 (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
We're not excluding TERFs from using libraries in general? We just believe TERFs shouldn't use libraries as a platform to share their hateful ideas to others. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
That's begging the question. Maybe they shouldn't feel the way they do. If you could chase them away with a rolled up newspaper do you think they would change their minds? In America, Imams who want to destroy America are free to speak as long as they don't call for the commission of a crime. Ariel31459 (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
And I'm pretty sure libraries actively know what TERFs are doing and are cooperating with TERFs. This is support for TERFs. Maybe they can tolerate some TERFs on the facade of the library, but most speakings are scheduled, and libraries do have that choice to reject that scheduling if they wish, even if they are public-owned. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
No. Public libraries do not usually have such discretion, any more than towns can always prevent Nazis or KKK rallys from getting a permit to march in a town."Public libraries that open their facilities to public use cannot disadvantage or exclude speakers or groups from using their facilities solely because they disagree with those parties' views or the content of their speech." American Library Association.Ariel31459 (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
But Toronto's own FAQ has this question: "Aren’t we contravening our own policy? Section 4.4a)i of the Community and Event Space Rental policy states that “The Library reserves the right to deny or cancel a booking when it reasonably believes: i. use by any individual or group will be for a purpose that is likely to promote, or would have the effect of promoting discrimination, contempt or hatred for any group or person…”"
This the point of contention here. The library of Toronto CAN reject individuals and speakers if they promote discrimination. They don't think TERFs do this because they dress up their bigotry behind fuzzy terminology like "to have an educational and open discussion on the concept of gender identify and its legislation ramifications on women in Canada", but trans people do see through that smokescreen and that's why they complain. In Seattle's case, however, you are probably correct that they have little they can do to restrict TERFs so maybe that edit should be amended, have some note saying they're a public space restricted by ALA guidelines (assuming the ALA guidelines are authoritative which I believe they are). --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The "Banning/tech proposal" topic[edit]

Just want to say that Ace has responded to it. And he's not happy (giving a heads up incase there'd be another Ace/Oxy flame war)... Tinribmancer (talk) 11:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

A request[edit]

James Earl Cash and NERD have reappeared. I think that if I conflict with JEC he will take it personally. I would hope he will forgive my past indiscretions. I want NERD to unretire. So, I am inclined to let him have his way as much as possible, especially if he is right in his edits. Ariel31459 (talk) 01:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ariel31459 I do not want to be a dictator, so feel free to disagree. As long as you remain calm, rational, and respectful, I really don't mind. I just hate it when people resort to personal attacks. For what it's worth, you are one of the editors who have been the kindest to me. Thank you! Nerd (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Winter Board of Trustees meeting[edit]

We need to arrange a time for the next Board of Trustees meeting. Would you be free next Saturday (21 December) at the same early morning time as before? I look forward to speaking to you again. Spud (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I'll try to be, and while I try putting a reminder on my phone, just plop a message in my talk page, if you can remember that (but of course it's my obligation to remember) and that'll be appreciated. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, because you asked, I'll remind you. The meeting will be first thing tomorrow morning your time and midnight tonight my time Spud (talk) 07:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I actually checked last night and it made me set my alarm. It's a good meeting, though I kinda wish FuzzyCatPotato was there. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:41, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Mario teaches sex ed[edit]

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The impersonation's quite good, though Mario's impersonation is way too gruff and grating compared to the actual voice in The Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 cartoon (which the animation is from; Mario and Luigi have different voices - Mario's Lou Albano, Luigi's Danny Wells in the original Super Mario Bros. Super Show; Mario's Walker Boone, Luigi's Tony Rosato in the Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3) Fun fact: Walker Boone's the only one alive of those four, sadly). I think Luigi is far closer to what he sounds like in the cartoon. And also you can hear me nerd out again about Mario stuff, I like sounding like one.I will say the cartoon is not good. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 05:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Mario teaches health class.

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On Douglas Murray[edit]

Thank you! I am not as familiar with him myself other than that he and Sam Harris regular promote one another and that he keeps appearing on Sam's podcast. I do suspect Douglas Murray is close to being an open white genocide theorist, and I see him regularly promoted by those people. He also calls himself a Christian atheist and is proud to identify as a white British, extols Anglo-Saxon tradition, hates Jeremy Corbyn, hates Muslim immigrants, wants Brexit, loves the Conservative Party, and wrote an essay titled "Neoconservativism: Why We Need it," (which was praised by Christopher Hitchens.) In short, he's far-right. UsuryUnlimited (talk) 11:12, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I think you will find the phrase "praised by Christopher Hitchens" an admirable comment by many on the left, who still respect CH. Some care should be taken in treating Murray, who can be regarded as a more conservative successor to Hitchens. He is not a run of the mill racist, but he is a difficult opponent. British conservatism has turned to an isolationism that can be construed as racist. Ariel31459 (talk) 15:51, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Uh, so he seems to be praised by both Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. I'm not sure what he has done to garner praise from the two since I have really negative impressions on him. But if Murray isn't a close white genocide theorist, he's really close to it from what I've read. The Wikipedia page on The Strange Death of EuropeWikipedia's W.svg has Sam Harris praising the book though the sourced link is broken. I'll trawl on the Internet for a bit (which I've done but it just gave me some criticism on Strange Death of Europe as seen the Sam Harris reddit as well as a podcast I don't have access to). Anyhow I like to have references to his claims; I already have some on Muslim immigrants (I don't think he "hates" them as he "distrusts" them as he says immigration should not be halted but be curbed) and on some on Brexit (I don't know his full views on it since I don't know Brexit too well; I just know he likes Brexit because one of his articles has an accompanying cartoon of a posh lion getting freed from the EU cage). I'll check out the "Neoconservativism: Why We Need it" part when I can, but not sure if I can provide some rebuttals.
Ariel: "praised by Christopher Hitchens" might sound meaningful, but it's just an empty endorsement to me. Same with Sam Harris. I'm not sure if I should really take more care in treating Murray differently even though his own unsavory viewpoints should be brought forth. If he's going to say crap like how migrants are going to destroy Europe, I'm going to counter it regardless of who has praised him in the past. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't expect you to be out of character, and I am not going to scold you for being pro-immigrant. I think that's the American way, if there is one. On the other hand Murray is British. I am not a Hitchens admirer overall. It's just that very few educated people of any note are willing to deny his status as an important modern British intellectual. I think, like it or not, the same may be eventually true of Murray. I like Hitchens' anti-theism debates. They are entertaining (if you are unfamiliar.) On the other hand I am pretty sure he was unfair to Hillary Clinton, and to sell books he chased approval of the far-right by attacking her husband with a venom I still find surprising. And then, there was that Iraq war thing. No, so any way, I am glad you are waiting to study more of Murray's work. I have not read either of his two last books. I will say, judging from his speeches, he presents more carefully reasoned arguments than you might expect from your run of the mill racist pol. I will try to read one of the last two books and get back to you about it. Ariel31459 (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Fair for the rest. I don't really follow Hitchens or Harris which is an additional reason the endorsement means little to me. I'm not an admirer of either though I do tend to agree with their viewpoints in some areas and I'm willing to excuse Hitchens's apparent sexism, at least from what's documented here. As for Murray, though, I can't say his arguments are "carefully reasoned". He sometimes write a bit coherently than I expect, but I went through his Twitter and his Daily Mail articles and didn't like what he wrote. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:11, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes. I don't want to gainsay your impression of Murray. I do think he is an interesting speaker. I am reading The Strange Death of Europe now. If I can get through it, I'll have more to say later.Ariel31459 (talk) 06:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I should add Douglas Murray has been on Sam Harris's podcast quite a few times and I have a recording from one of them of him doing a pretty unfunny transphobic rant. (It's full of the one joke conservatives keep using.) Rather than ever contradicting him, Sam kept laughing like it was the funniest thing and then after the snippet ended he even praised him for having the wit of Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens for his own part praised Douglas Murray in an article when they were both attacking critics of invading or Iraq, but then died before he wrote "the Strange Death of Europe," and might not have foreseen that he would jump further off the deep end.

Just giving you both more insight into Douglas Murray's character.UsuryUnlimited (talk) 05:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Murray's book, Madness of Crowds has a section on trans issues. You might consider reading that part, if you haven't already done, and that would give you a good basis for critiquing his views. I expect insipid jokes is not a promising introduction to them. Still, I am always advocating for scholarly journalism where possible.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@LGM: Having read the introduction, I can say that so far Murray is talking about cultural death. Is this equivalent to white genocide theory? I think to answer one way or the other depends on ideology. In America we understand that our culture is assumed to be an in-group construct identified with whiteness. It is a white supremacist idea, typical of Americans, that all European countries are white and somehow equivalent in value from a racist point of view. It is, for better or worse, a reductionist view. I am skeptical that Europeans view Europe, as a homeland, in the way that Americans view America. I have visited western Europe, albeit decades ago, yet my knowledge of what's worth keeping, and of the way life passes there, seems to me to be inadequate to answer the question of what is valuable in European culture. It's like an art project really, and the argument is about who the artists should be.Ariel31459 (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@LGM: About The Strange Death of Europe: I can say, so far, the presentation, though pointed, has the appearance of a scholarly work done for the general educated reader . I would guess that although it may have been a best seller, only those willing to digest a series of dense expository chapters will have bothered to read it. There was only one copy for sale at my local Barnes and Nobles. That being said, I am reading it and wonder if you want to hear more about it. It may be, because Murray is ostensibly opposed to mass-immigration into Briton, that is all you need to know. I guess the book is an attempt to describe some of the historical problems related to sudden large-scale demographic changes in countries, unlike America, that afford distinct and continuous cultural identities. Let me know if you would like an actual synopsis or an outline of sorts for use in completing an article, or even just to save you the bother of reading it yourself.. Ariel31459 (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I have finished The Strange Death of Europe. Looking for it on Wikipedia I find very little description of the text in it. That wiki also attributes a grade of Low with regard to its importance to conservatism, despite ranking it as a conservative book. The swapping out of white Europeans with those from other continents is never mentioned critically without also mentioning the concerns of racism, and then only a very few times. Since you have not replied to my inquiry, I am assuming you don't want an article on the book. Just as well. I don't think you would like it.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

As long as the article would be missional (it appears that it would be from the subject), go ahead and make one if you're so motivated. Bongolian (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm just too busy to get invested right now but I'll review it later. Please provide passages and relevant context. Thanks. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Invisible edits[edit]

Your recent reversion aren't showing up on the recent changes log. Do you know why? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:15, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Huh, all I did was just middle click (open tab) rollback the hell out of all the edits. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 00:17, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Nevermind, one of my log filters was turned off somehow. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:18, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello again[edit]

I have noticed that it is considered contentious to say anything that appears to be challenging to our transgender advocates. What are we using as a standard reference on transgender issues? I imagined that gender being a social construct was acceptable. Ariel31459 (talk) 22:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what if any standard references there are, but our page on non-binary gender would seem to affirm that gender is a social construct because different societies have recognized different numbers and varieties of genders. Bongolian (talk) 22:10, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean "challenging to our trans advocates". Again, the language you used reflects the dogwhistling from TERFs, which is what sets off people, including me. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I mean "appears to be challenging..." as opposed to an actual challenge. What I mean is that they are not even prepared to exchange critical ideas that do not bear directly on the reality of trans issues (in this case, semantics). My interests at this point are more to do with clarity than verity. I do not oppose the reification of transgender idealism. I am interested in what it is doing, what it says. I have so far concluded that, no one really knows beyond a few definitions. I in no way feel obligated to discuss this any further, unless invited to do so by another editor. I do not intend to set you off to anywhere you find unacceptable.Ariel31459 (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

The Nazi is splitting hairs.[edit]

White nationalists are Nazis. They fucking fly swastikas go to Nazi rallies. For fuck's sake! That's one of the fucking terms the original Nazis fucking used!! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Trying to explore the definitions: are there strains of white nationalism that doesn't have a German nationalist bent? I mean, would a person be a Nazi for wanting to create a white ethnostate that targets black people or Native Americans? I see the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Confederates, and Christian Identity considered white nationalist, and they predate Nazism. I always thought there was a distinction between the two terms but maybe I'm confusing white nationalism with the broader concept of racism the entire time... --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It is basically splitting hairs. There's plenty of internecine fighting among the various Nazis, as is true of most umbrella groups: pure NS hating Nazbols, Nazbols hating Pepes, etc. The unity of the whole lot of them is one of the few things that Nazis and anti-Nazis seem to agree on, as noted by the two quotes at the top of our alt-right page. Bongolian (talk) 03:21, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Ok, gotcha. I plead ignorance now, I hope I don't go again into discussion about a distinction so thin, a flea can't squeeze through. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)