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I made no personal attacks. Blue's edit filter changes should be reverted immediatly - Blue has no authority to make the changes she did

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:13, 7 July 2012

Can someone cogently explain what happened?

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg05:43, 7 July 2012

Voxhumana complained about Ace's posts on his talk-page. Blue put on an abuse filter that gave Ace a warning if he posted on Voxhumana's talk-page. Ace took away her tech rights. Her abuse filter changes were reverted.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX05:44, 7 July 2012

....and we are left in a fix about whether or not Ace should give said rights back, obviously.

Peter HFB205:46, 7 July 2012

Grrrrrrr! Shit like this is why we cannot have nice things.

She shouldn't get back her tech rights. That was not the best way to handle the situation, as it only exacerbated it. That's unfortunate. It's hard to feel too bad for Ace because it was only made slightly harder for him to keep purposefully irritated someone, but nonetheless this was a misstep. Right direction, wrong footing.

ADtalkModerator07:48, 7 July 2012

It's the same thing I tried. If you can't talk sense into people and convince them to play nice (you tried, and it didn't work), force them. Unfortunately, it doesn't work.

-- Nx / talk07:50, 7 July 2012

Except nothing I did had anything to do with "force"! I honestly don't think you understand what I did, AD.

Blue (pester)07:53, 7 July 2012

It's metaphorical force. No one thinks you hopped a plane to NZ with a wooden spoon and shackles.

Maybe you're right, though - I am not as techie as you. I was under the impression that you edited the settings on the AbuseFilter extension so that whenever Ace tried to edit Vox's talk page, he was faced with an automated warning?

ADtalkModerator08:05, 7 July 2012

When he clicked save, he got a warning (like when you forget an edit summary and have that option enabled), and had to save again.

-- Nx / talk08:07, 7 July 2012
 

It's basically an edit notice that appears above the toolbar with a generic notification. Like an edit conflict, but your post isn't lost. In no way does it inconvenience editing or make it any harder for Ace to actually do the deed. Lazy moderating on my part, as I probably should have talked to Ace directly.

Blue (pester)08:09, 7 July 2012

Yes, no-one weeps for Ace because he had to click an extra button to annoy someone with his usual childish antics, but you have to realize that the filter is a very powerful tool, so naturally people view all activity with suspicion. Maybe tomorrow you'll write a filter that prevents him from editing any talk page.

-- Nx / talk08:20, 7 July 2012
 
 
 

Insightful! Yes, I think that's exactly it. I know she meant well, and I know you did too. But it would be wiser not to give her back tech for a while. Eventually she probably should, because she actually does a lot of great work in that gritty and unglamorous behind-the-signs style. Like you did, actually! I hope you're back and to stay, by the way.

ADtalkModerator07:57, 7 July 2012
 
 
 
 

Or...Vox complained I had engaged in a campaign of abuse (no such evidence has been provided of said abuse), he (or she I suppose) left citing my 'abuse' as the reason, after he left I carried on a conversation with DickTurpis on his talkpage, he came back and complained I was further abusing him, Blue took it upon herself to edit the filter so that I was warned anytime I tried commenting on Vox's page and suggested if I continued she would take of it.

A) No 'abuse' has been presented B) Blue doesn't have the authority to make said changes C) What the fuck?

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:50, 7 July 2012

Seems to me that she moderated. Can moderators not modify the abuse filter?

User:Brxbrx/sig11:05, 7 July 2012

From a raw "user rights" standpoint, moderators do not have the power to edit the abuse filter unless they also have "tech" rights.

I think that letting moderators use the abuse filter would go to great lengths in furthering their task. Remember when Nx protected Mara's talk page from vandalism? Then again, putting such power in the hands of Ace would be a terrible, terrible idea.

User:Brxbrx/sig11:18, 7 July 2012

Ah, but using the abuse filter requires some programming knowledge and, again, it's currently restricted to Tech users. Though I disagree with the sentiment of not allowing one to be the other. It would be a poor use of the talent here to not let Blue be both a Tech and a Moderator simply because we think that's too much power for someone to have. We, as a community, really need to either 1) gain a better sense of trust in our community or 2) not elect people to the Moderator position if we don't trust them.

not elect people to the Moderator position if we don't trust them Unfortunately, a large offsetting factor in mod elections is popularity, and not trust

User:Brxbrx/sig11:26, 7 July 2012

No, I know. I am well aware of this community's inherent problems.

Obviously moderators should also be given the ability to use range blocks as well /16 being the minimum setting.

Bad Faith (talk)11:34, 7 July 2012
 
 
 

putting such power in the hands of Ace would be a terrible, terrible idea. Jesus man, I am starting to sound like Magneto.

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger11:38, 7 July 2012
 

Not Maratrean's talk page, his user page.

-- Nx / talk13:06, 7 July 2012

I love it when Nx vomits his vile semen every where.

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger13:08, 7 July 2012
 
 
 

I think the "problem", such as it is, is that Blue only did something that wouldn't have been out of character for most any other Human being. The reaction seems to be the same too, though from different quarters. IOIYAR.

C®ackeЯ17:40, 7 July 2012