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You discovered the click and drag yet?

It will definitely help with your debate maps.

- π04:45, 4 January 2011

He's paranoid and has disabled javascript, so he can't rearrange threads. Thank goat.

-- Nx / talk07:19, 4 January 2011

Oh yes, scripts is nothing to fear Nerdloins. Take it from the entity who brought WikiIndex to its knees with |337 h@x20r 5k1LL5.

~ Lumenos (talk)08:32, 4 January 2011

I can inject something up here is what I'm talking about (with Nx, down there). It might be better if new messages up here stand out somehow.

~ Lumenos (talk)11:52, 6 January 2011

I know, but it's still at the bottom of one part of a conversation

-- Nx / talk11:54, 6 January 2011
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I was trying to reply to this post, at the same time you did. Instead of an edit conflict, it lost my post, as far as I can tell.

~ Lumenos (talk)12:06, 6 January 2011

Did you click cancel? Did you close the page?

-- Nx / talk12:08, 6 January 2011

I was just trying to edit my post that you replied to there, and it did it again! It does it when you try to preview or post. It took me to a page that looks just like the full talkpage but has this thread missing, strangely. However, I found that I could go back in my browser and my post and edit box were still there.

~ Lumenos (talk)12:12, 6 January 2011

Ok, I see now. I'll try to fix it.

-- Nx / talk12:23, 6 January 2011

I thought this was because we were both trying to post to the same thread location but it did it again when no one else was posting.

~ Lumenos (talk)03:41, 7 January 2011

See debate map. Actually I'm thinking the refactoring isn't such a good idea. Instead I copy stuff to wiki articles or note outlines. This could be done with a bunch of arguments from a talkpage, creating sections for each argument and rebuttals. That would be a sympathetic debate map but the ideal debate map involves collaborating with people you disagree with, in order to have consensus on how the arguments go.

~ Lumenos (talk)08:29, 4 January 2011

Actually this is no good at all. There doesn't seem to be a way to view/copy all the dialog at once. Can't copy it to another wiki. Aaaaahaaa, that is why they are so eager to implement it, it is anti-competitive VENDOR LOCK IN.

~ Lumenos (talk)14:42, 4 January 2011

That's the most positive thing I've heard about this rather clunky format. (Except for that fact that it just told me that it signs automatically, which is the second positive thing.) Assuming that it didn't lie to me as no sig shows in preview.

BobSpring is sprung!15:25, 4 January 2011

ACTually, this allows you to reply to any post in the thread, such as in the middle, which is something I used to do, though people would scoff and it is quite difficult to navigate the wall of text when editing. I'm not sure if it will be easier or harder to notice such a post in LQT. I guess instead of the usual edit history we get an edit history in the Contents section.

~ Lumenos (talk)11:24, 6 January 2011

Well, new messages makes it easier, for one, and comments that are at the same indentation level are always in chronological order. E.g. You can't inject something between Pi's comment and my reply.

-- Nx / talk11:26, 6 January 2011

Oh yes it forces you to put them at the bottom.

But before we could go from Recent Changes directly to a diff with the specific post. Can't do that now, but I wouldn't usually do that because you have to click and navigate to reply. What would be ideal is if it would highlight all posts since your last viewing.

~ Lumenos (talk)12:30, 6 January 2011

There's no need to go to a diff, it takes you to the new post instead.

-- Nx / talk12:32, 6 January 2011

Oh yeah. And it bumps the thread by default so it will rarely be at the bottom of the page so it can scroll down so the new post is usually at the top of the page.

~ Lumenos (talk)12:48, 6 January 2011

It is definitely better than the old system in that regard, however it would still be ideal to highlight all unread posts when there are many of them.

~ Lumenos (talk)12:50, 6 January 2011

Secondly, it enables what I was bitching about concerning making subpages instead of archives. If/when this is implemented on the Community Standards talkpage, those who don't like certain arguably brilliant proposals, can ignore them instead of archiving them. Now how you like your supposed technocracy? The Lorg doth adapt to anything The Man can connive to keep a brotha down!

~ Lumenos (talk)11:42, 6 January 2011