User talk:TK/Archives4

RE: "You Got A Problem With That?"

Nope - made a simple mistake and reversed myself a moment later. My apologies, these things happen. You gonna call me a "subhuman" in your typical style for it? Comment withdrawn with apologies following communication with TK. PFoster 22:41, 9 December 2007 (EST)

No, because like so many here, you completely mistake what the term meant, or why it was used. And drop the bullshit, my edits to CP Sysops, inserting fact for crap, were reverted, mean-spirited like, so there is a basis on this wiki to ask. If you weren't such a dick, and just asked, like I did, you might just un-cloud your poisoned mind. But I doubt you are interested, preferring hate and public diatribes to hurt users, to rational thought. If you truly wanted to have knowledge about such things, you know how to contact me. But you have never done so, as you prefer to get your information about me second, third or fourth hand, cause it allows you to keep your mind closed. You have never meant any apology here, that I can find, and merely use it as a device to snipe, like above. :p^{— Unsigned, by: TK / talk / contribs}

TK, if you're not welcome at Conservapedia, there's always CreationWiki.-αmεσ (soldier) 23:33, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Ahhh, the true face of Rational Wiki! I was expecting you, AmesG, one never lacking in attacking and bad-mouthing anyone you disagree with, while maintaining the patina that your liberal ideology supports freedom of speech! Since I am not now, nor have I ever pretended to be YEC or even a member of the "Born Again" movement (but then you have always known I wasn't YEC), I doubt there is much I could contribute there. As far as idealogy, my political compass was always posted on my user page at CP. --TK_/MyTalk 23:42, 9 December 2007 (EST)

You're free to speak here, but you're not free to have listeners :-)-αmεσ (soldier) 23:47, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Ames, TK has repeatedly stated that he disagrees with YEC, and supports something more along the lines of ID. Even I am surprised you'd make such a suggestion. --Ζωροάστρης 23:52, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Actually, I didn't read it as AmesG suggesting that TK supported YEC, but moreso that he was simply making fun of the SNAFU and CP, and that if TK can't take a little heat at RW, he can STFU and head to CW PDQ. Stile4aly 23:58, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Hoji, I do love my LA Times just like everyone else and I know he's not a creationist, Stile got me right.-αmεσ (soldier) 00:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)

"TK" was taking the heat just fine, and doing well for himself, is the point. That is what brought the trolls out to pile on.....that is my objection to RW, and always has been. And, many other members here also have objected to the "rat-packing" mentality. Seems some cannot tolerate anyone they dislike or disagree with, so can always be counted on suggesting they head off to somewhere else. That is most likely why other members bringing up stagnation here never find the convo going anywhere. People like the above enjoy running others down, without having any knowledge of them, they like to smear others, do it under the color of this place being open to all ideas, but pile on so badly, it doesn't leave any doubt in one's mind that they are not welcome. You guys really need to think about that, and how it sometimes makes you no different than Andy. Have you all become what you claim to hate? I think Jazzman had the same argument, and some others....... --TK_/MyTalk 00:24, 10 December 2007 (EST)

It's "rat-wanking", get it right. And did it ever occur to you that it's your winning personality that attracts the attention? --97.96.225.254 00:28, 10 December 2007 (EST)

TK, I say this as a closing remark - 97.etc is absolutely right. If you're willing to be a positive member, and a nice dude, your ideology is no bar to your membership or warm acceptance. Note that ideology is rarely a point of conflict between members here (except at the extremes, viz. neonazis). I'm a NOMA-agnostic, but I'm considered a friend by, and am a friend to, atheist members of the site. Similarly, even HeartOfGold was fairly welcomed. This is to say, it's not us, it's you. Consider this a Parthian Shot.-αmεσ (soldier) 00:40, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Not much has change here recently, has it? TK is still "retired," everyone's mad at him, and he's mad at everyone. It's even the same style of arguing. It's like watching an old married couple! The nostalgia... it brings tears to my eyes. ɧєɭıסş^{-get sunburn!} 00:48, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Oooh, so he's come out of "retirement" now. K. ɧєɭıסş^{-get sunburn!} 00:57, 10 December 2007 (EST)

No, not out of retirement...AmesG mean-spirited edit to the CP Sysops, reverting me for adding fact, nothing more, not ideology, because I don't have any love left for CP, proves my point, as do the posts of cowards who won't sign in to attack. PF Foster and I had a nice chat, no insults, and seemed happy with one another's personalities, so AmesG's attack dog pronouncements were incorrect. Those who are shooting their mouths off here, have never bothered to contact me directly, they merely mouth what they think others want to hear out of them, to go along, and get along. My point has been made. Once again. HOG once he disagreed with the "Power Elite" here was run off. Until the old guard gives up their hold on power here, this place will never be a true mobocracy. Of course they won't, its all they have. --TK_/MyTalk 01:06, 10 December 2007 (EST)Now, if it goes to previous scriptings, someone among the "Elite" will say don't feed the troll, like I invited AmesG's and Stiles two cents, lol.

Eh, I'll do it.

OMG WTF DONT FEED TEH TROLLS LOL

There. Ryan T. / gggg?

Until the old guard gives up their hold on power here, this place will never be a true mobocracy. Of course they won't, its all they have.

Out of curiosity, what's it like to live a life utterly devoid of the capacity to experience irony? --Gulik 04:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Out of curiosity, are you not ever embarrassed at posting such statements? Did you ever once ask, or try to find out, if I ever agreed with Andy's methods? No. Not once, not ever. Odd then, that you would post what you have, seeming to accept just about everything at face value, said about me, by others. Now, saying that, this place(supposedly), has very different rules than CP, no? So a comparison between the two is Apples and Oranges, eh? So, I would submit, logically, rationally, there isn't one bit of irony possible. --TK_/MyTalk 05:05, 10 December 2007 (EST)

d00d, you were Andy's most enthusiastic enforcer for...what? More than a year? And in that time, as far as I can tell, your bullying managed to accumulate massive ill-will from just about everyone who had to deal with you. --Gulik 05:09, 10 December 2007 (EST)

I don't _think_ Heart was run off--it's just that one day he started posting long rants about Liberal Mosquito Worship and the Low-Flush Toilet Conspiracy, which drew about as much mockery as you'd expect, and he didn't take it well. --Gulik 05:11, 10 December 2007 (EST)

I joined Conservapedia in April, 2007, this year. Your logic is infantile, and you are being dishonest. Did I step on your toes, poor baby? Did you ever once IM me, email me, asking anything? Do you have any kind of "job" or have you ever volunteered for anything? Did you, do you, 100% agree with all of their policies? That would be rare. And it is certainly not rational to think I would. As those who read the SDG, while it was open know, I had many disagreements over policy with Andy and several other Sysops. Just because you didn't know that, doesn't give you any special pass on hating. do you know that I let more people back, unblocked more users, than any other Sysop at CP? I suppose not. And if you somehow think I should be expected to explain my actions someplace else here, to satisfy people's disagreement, people who only know about me from what a few others have said, that is pretty sad. If you have questions or don't know something, you do have me on your MSN, you know. But I gather you prefer to snipe in public, with others to back your play. More the pity. I won't be defending HOG, either. But he was, once he disagreed with some here, run off. Dress it up anyway you want to, this place has a history of doing that. Exactly in the same manner as CP. Maybe they aren't blocked here, but their posts are reverted, removed and ridiculed unceasingly, until they leave. --TK_/MyTalk 05:22, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Is this some oddball version of "The Lurkers Support(ed) Me In Email" combined with the Nuremburg Defense? Letting people back on CP is great, but that place's fairly consistent ban-happiness, paranoia and general e-thuggery isn't.

Maybe they aren't blocked here, but their posts are reverted, removed and ridiculed unceasingly, until they leave. Yeah, that is kind of messy and time-consuming. Permabans followed by an IP block, are so much neater. :-P --Gulik 05:31, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Well, Gulik, I wish I was as comfortable as you are deciding how someplace you didn't start, own or help should be run. I don't much like, never did much like, Andy's creepy, on again, off again, policies, but I wouldn't want to decide how someone else should be running their private site. Yes, I have, and will continue to (now) publicly disagree with how they run the place, but your ideas about Ban's and what is "right" is just that: Your good idea. There have been banning here as well, no? Is one type of ban better than another? Or is it only when done by right-wingers that it's bad? Or YEC's? What I do know from my experiences on the Internet is that no matter how liberal or strict the ban rules are, there is always gonna be someone who just doesn't like the exercise of authority, unless, of course, it is their exercising of authority. :P Think of the Beatles, dude. Revolution. We're all doing (at least some of us) what we can. You better free your own mind first, instead. --TK_/MyTalk 05:49, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Is HoG really gone? Perhaps he's still here, only now just vandalising articles anonymously. Our vandals really seem to appreciate his work. Contrast HoG's magnum opus [1] with the latest anonymous IP vandal [2]. --Jeēv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 05:35, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Heart will always be with us. --Gulik 06:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Actually, TK, I'm kvetching here about YOU, not Andy. To me, at least, you came across as an enthusiastic e-thug. (Anyone got a link to that great message TK sent someone about using his Powerful Friends to ruin their life?) --Gulik 06:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Well, you have done your job well, Gulik! It isn't your place to use this place, as an Andy-like Star Chamber to take after me. Like I keep saying, you talk a good public game, but never back your play with facts. I have never sent an email like you mention to anyone. And if they produce it, I want a copy of it, to examine the headers. You have a narrow small mind, one you fill with bullshit provided by others, and never once have you contacted me to find out if what shit you are swallowing is true. That is why people leave here, as I said above. You think you have some "right" to attack others. You don't. Stay angry, though, keep shaking that fist at the world! Love you too, babe. --TK_/MyTalk 06:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)