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[edit] Back again to start World War III or is it World War V?

After a month-long absence, TAR dropped by and discovered that the remaining CP editors thought that his work has generally been a piece of ****. One of his first moves was: "(Block log); 16:08 . . TheAmericanRedoubt (Talk | contribs) blocked JDano (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 hour (account creation disabled) ‎(Removing content from pages)" Then there was: thisimg and thisimg TAR has been a single-purpose link-spammer, who generally crops up when James Wesley Rawles has a new book to promote, with an occassional drop by to see if his handiwork is left in tact. Any time you find more than one or two sentences of prose from TAR, it turns out that he has copy/pasted it from an online source. He generally cuts and pastes See alsos, categories, and external links en masse with little customization for particular articles. What a disaster for CP. Grab the pop corn. Hclodge (talk) 20:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

He's justimg flouncedimg (img) for some reason. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
If Ken were to leave an explanation here it would be "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." TAR came back and blocked a user for one hour. He then went through the user's contributions and reverted every edit. He then noticed that those reversions produced red links for categories that Ken had deleted. He then extended the block for one week and later for an indefinite time. TAR then noticed that a second user was editing his categories and started a mass revert. He finally realized that a number of categories had been deleted during his wiki-break and started to modify some of his reinstatement of references to deleted categories. He even knew enough to revert his revert of an essay talk page comment by a user. Hours later he engaged with Ken, who had been editing the entire time. Ken then userfied the "Vote With Your Feet" article and told TAR to redo it in the Conservapedia standards. TAR weighed his options, blanked the userfied article. Meanwhile, Ken unblocked the first user, who left a message calling for "mutual respect and Christian forgiveness". TAR's only option was to drama quit and escalate the conflict from Ken to Andy. With a few short breaks, TAR edited for six hours. Do you think that he is asking for his contribution list to be rev del'ed because he doesn't want a purge of his work or because he realizes that the user name reflects poorly on his client? Hclodge (talk) 11:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Ken blocked TAR for five years and said that he would have to agree to help clean up if he wanted back in as a CP editor. Hclodge (talk) 02:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

The definition of "clueless."img Whoover (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

On February 28, 2015, I noted here that TAR claimed that Rawles' Survivalblog recommended CP over Wikipedia but there were no links to back up that claim. Essentially, that Ken and Andy made a bad deal if they allowed TAR to turn CP into a link farm for Rawles without any reciprocal links. TAR then took a wiki-break from editing CP having left literally thousands of references back to Rawles and his "American Redoubt" friends. He returned briefly at the end of 2015 and early 2016 to promote another book launch. Ken reported on June 1, 2015 that TAR would return in September 2015. On October 28, 2015, Ken gave TAR until March 24, 2016 to come back and clean things up. During March some newer editors did some clean up under Ken and Andy's guidance. By an odd coincidence, on March 28, 2016, James Wesley Rawles posted this editorial favoring CP over Wikipedia. (img)We will now see if the theory of a reciprocal deal is true, depending on how Andy responds to the pending request to take away TAR's blocking privileges. Hclodge (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

The above post was written before I had a chance to investigate the Rawles editorial and did not notice:
(1) Rawles editorial is advocating that his readers spend more time editing Wikipedia to make it less biased over spending their time editing CP.
(2) Rawles is recommending alternatives to Wikipedia "such as Conservapedia" but is not saying that CP is the go-to place for his followers to use as an information source.
(3) Rawles provides links to several articles at the bottom of his editorial for further reading. There are two CP articles listed: Example of Bias in Wikipedia and Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Paid Editing. If you look at the edit history of those two pages, you see that they were written by Wschact, the editor that TAR banned from CP. Hclodge (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

The long drama is over, "12:57, 5 April 2016 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:TheAmericanRedoubt from Block, SkipCaptcha, Upload, edit and rollback to SkipCaptcha" Hclodge (talk) 13:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

CP has survived the latest invasion from the American Redoubt, but have there been invasions in the past and will he/they come back in the future? The boys from the American Redoubt have invaded Wikipedia in repeated waves, and the editor formerly know as TAR, edited Wikipedia under the user name "Jefferson Franklin". His contributions there did not last long. Before there was TAR, there was a CP editor named "Fongman" who also promoted migration to the American Redoubt and the blogs and books of James Wesley Rawles and Joel Skousen on CP pages like Survivalist Retreat. Fongman on his user page admits to being Wikipedia editor Traselimg (img). Trasel last edited Wikipedia on March 1, 2010 and was blocked on August 31, 2013 for misusing multiple accounts. Trasel edited CP from April 24, 2008 to July 2, 2012. There is obviously a concerted effort by the followers of James Welsey Rawles to spam the wikiworld, and it will not stop with the departure of TAR. Hclodge (talk) 11:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

It has been about a month since TAR's last return, and CP still has TAR footprint stains all over it. Hclodge (talk) 22:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Range blocking

Are they at this again? I've not been able to get to cp since yesterday afternoon. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Same here. Whoover (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Same here. Guess I'll check my vpns if any of them work. Shakedangle (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] What Does this Mean?

The good news is the ip blocking seems to have been removed. The bad news is that I can now get into Conservapedia. Can anyone help parse Setback for liberals, as their own GOP favorite supports Trump: "Giuliani will vote for Trump in NY primary."? Liberals would want Giuliani to vote for Cruz? Maybe Hillary? Bernie? I know Andy's mind works differently than mine, but why does he think Giuliani is a "favorite" of mine, or that I would give a rat's ass who he votes for? I really can't get my head around this quote. Whoover (talk) 00:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I guess what he's sayin' is, since Guilliani was elected mayor of NY, he must've done so with liberals support making him thier favorite, and it's a setback for them that Guilliani is not supporting the real liberal and homey Sanders, or the make pretend liberal-moderate Hillary.
Full translations can be made available for a fee. nobsLewinsky 2020 00:47, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't buy that, even trying to filter through Andy's mind. I can see Giuliani being tagged a RINO because New York, but not even in Andyworld do liberals expect Giuliani to support a Democrat for president. Andy's disconnect from reality is significant, but it's not so complete that he imagines Giuliani endorsing a Republican would shock anyone. And Andy's post makes even less sense from the perspective of liberal Republicans. Assuming he's equating New York Republican with Liberal Republican aka Establishment Republican, this almost is parsable as "Giuliani screws the Establishment." But that means Andy is asserting that Trump is the True Conservative in this race. There's no way out of this rabbit hole. Whoover (talk) 18:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure he thinks liberals expect him to vote for a GOP candidate (Giuliani didn't endorse Trump, just said he'd vote for him), but would want him to vote for someone more "moderate." Mind you, I have no idea what Giuliani is "their own GOP favorite." I have no idea where that even comes from. AyzmoCheers 19:01, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm not always entirely sure that he thinks. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:39, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Looks to me CP is in the tank for Trump (am I right? haven't been following too closely). If so, Andy's building a coalition with RINOs and liberals.nobsDump Trump 19:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Andy certainly is. I'm not sure anyone else is, though. It's like saying CP believes Jesus wrote Hebrews. Whoover (talk) 04:42, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
In the end, the Trump candidacy only serves to make the point that RINOs (like Trump) aren't the limp-wristed faggots the rest of the GOP thinks they are. nobsDump Trump 17:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Schlafly v. Schlafly over Trump. Whoover (talk) 18:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Rachel Maddow did a good piece about this.[1]. What I know of Andy and his ideology he should be a Cruz supporter. I don't know how close he is to his mum but I would guess he supports Trump becasue she does.--Mercian (talk) 09:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Is he supporting her though? According to her own words, "“I’ve got three sons that are helping me", and she does have four sons... John's already involved, which leaves a 33% chance Andy isn't backing mummy. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 23:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
WOW. Oddly, Trump would get banned at CP for a 90/10 violation cause all he does is talk talk talk and never contributes productively. nobsDump Trump 02:30, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
The reason why the Eagle Forum has lasted this long has been that it is driven by an engine that converts Mrs. Schlafly's reputation as a hard-line conservative into a stream of donations. Some are big ticket donations, but others are smaller. The Trump endorsement endangers a few of the large donations, so the actions of the six directors are not motivated purely from a Trump vs. Cruz as better President perspective. Such a public fight is permanently throwing sand into the engine, and may affect the long term health of CP as well. Hclodge (talk) 13:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
All true. My guess Phyliss's romance with Trump has nothing to do with social conservativism and goes back to Kissinger On The Coach (Bernie Sander's favorite book) and Trump's revival of America First. nobsDump Trump 00:58, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
In other postings the Skeksis has said the three sons are two lawyers and a doctor, seemingly meaning Andy's in her corner. Yet there's nothing about this on the 'highly influential' Conservapedia... seems like Andy's publicly hedging his bets to secure his wingnut welfare. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 07:02, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Exactly. Andy threw the Evagelical movement overboard with the Conservapedia Bible Project, and he's totally whitewashed Trump's Pro-Life and RINO stances. It's all the old foreign policy isolationist and anti-free trade that "trump's" traditional family values and tax cutting priorities. nobsDump Trump 21:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Ken is So Proud

Conservapedia breaks 100,000 on Alexa!img Since Ken is so enamored of Alexa, he must know the ratings of lamestream, that other wiki, ratwiki and xhamster. At least he's learned that smaller is better. That's progress. Whoover (talk) 22:56, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Two hours later Andy bitchslaps him with a "trim". Though Ken's link gives us some useful info, the 'educational resource' doesn't even have enough visits from school children to give Alexa data on CP visits from schools. Also, women are underrepresented at CP... Olé! Olé! Olé! -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 07:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
As every UK IP seems to be permanently blocked from reading CP this number can only go down. Andy also trimmed his article of the year, "Atheism and some such crap" which is unfair of Andy as the article was clearly of the highest standard and approved by the community as a whole. One thing Ken, satire and humour can take many guises but the one thing it must be to qualify is to be funny.--Mercian (talk) 14:27, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm in the UK, I can read it fine. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 14:30, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Me too, damnit! Pippa (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Conservapedia broke Alexa's 100,000 9 years ago and always hovered around 50,000. Note to Ken: I hate to sound like Donald Trump, but CP fell off the charts when you broke up the conservative coalition 3 years ago and got me fired. Since the day I left, CP's descent on Alexa has been a straight line down. Accept my terms for returning, or wallow in the sub-basement of the internet where no one goes eternally. nobsDump Trump 21:22e, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sometimes, I forget that Rob is just as delusional as the rest of the CP crowd, but he often comes back to remind me. Rob, CP deserves you, no doubt. Phiwum (talk) 03:07, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Tebow

Has Andy said anything about this yet? The Florida GOP Wants Tim Tebow to Run for Congress Pippa (talk) 02:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Also no mention of Fake Fidel's speech on Tuesday. The trolls are not doing their job well.— Unsigned, by: [[User::|:]] / [[User talk::|talk]] / contribs
Oh I don't know. Whoever is running Northwest is playing as long and deep cover game to troll SamHB and DAvidB4 over there. Oldusgitus (talk) 06:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Mystery:Why does this page still exist

Should we even still have this? Or should we archive it like "Fourth Reich"'Legionwhat do you want from me 07:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Surely you mean Mystery: Why does this page still exist? (talk) 21:21, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

This all for you my BoN friend'Legionwhat do you want from me 23:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

This was the very reason for the creation of rationalwiki, and still provides the only forum where CP can be exposed to rational comment. If you feel there is some inconsistency between CP criticism and the other stuff here, just cast off the other stuff and keep this stuff. Hclodge (talk) 21:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Ken says he's taking some time off; maybe he's become disillusioned by Andy's support of a pro-life RINO, as well. nobsDump Trump looks like the sleezebag got it 02:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
Rob, ken seems to be having a bit of a man crush on you just now. Quite a few of his posts seem to be shout-out's to you. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Rather than having this debate every now and then, why don't we establish conditions under which this page should cease to exist? If X% of the criteria are met then we delete the page. I'm not sure what those criteria would be, but I imagine CP shutting down would be one, Con no longer posting, no CPWIGO posts in 6+(?) months, etc. AyzmoCheers 13:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

This should definitely be maintained as log as they are absolutely hilarious, which they still are. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 13:27, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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