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Sock of "x"![edit]

It looks like Karajou has another scapegoat. He banned an unused account created a month ago as a "sock of JamesWilson"! I guess sock of Horace and everyone else just wasn't enough?! [1] --Taylor Swift lover (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)::

haha! I've become the latest one! Well, I'm planning on getting plenty more in! It seems Big Ron is back and foiling my plans! He and his big nose cannot stop me! --Elvis is King (talk) 00:47, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I am not convinced. The alternative narrative is that someone has hacked the user name/password file of CP, and is reviving old signons, including Ron's. It is very strange that Ken is deleting old user and user talk pages, just as this is happening, and doing so under a sock account. I miss Ameriwiki. The people were colorful, but intelligent and not as mean as CP. People in general have a lot of common sense. They suspend disbelief to enjoy a good movie like Star Wars. Some people are so immersed in the Star Wars "reality" that they write fan fiction. This is a useful model for understanding the current CP editor corps. I believe that the current CP authors are writing Donald Trump fan fiction, after suspending disbelief in reading his tweets and breitbart.com. All of the crew from Amerikiki pre-date Breitbart/Donald Trump. Taylor Swift is remarkably charming and innocent compared with Donald Trump, his family and friends.
Another alternative theory is that some of the new editors are actually socks of Andy and Ken. They want to create the impression that there are more people who are active editors than in fact exist. So, rather than profess that User:Conservative is multiple people, I believe that Andy and Ken now actively sock. Hclodge (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Andy's leadership style[edit]

I think that an alternative to Wikipedia was a very powerful and timely idea back in 2005 or 2006. Conservapedia was doomed due to Andy's lack of judgment and leadership style. For Andy, it must hurt to see CP's readership decline, and it must hurt to see the number of page edits decline as well. But the real gut punch must have been that Donald Trump took a doctored WWE video posted on Redit and tweeted it out to the world. In the old days, Presidents would quote poets or recommend book authors. Now Donald Trump is elevating a Redit video editor to national prominence, instead of some witty bullet from Conservapedia. As of today, it is "cool" to hang out and post on Redit's Donald Trump forum, but not "cool" to hang out with Andy regurgitating bullets from breitbart.com and whitehouse.gov. Hclodge (talk) 09:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

If you read Conservapedia five to ten years ago, there was a preoccupation with religion and moral values. Hence, the Conservative Bible Project and Ken's series on beastiality and atheism. Today, it is Donald Trump 24/7. Ken is even working on a new essay singing his praises. Has worshiping at the alter of Donald Trump replace religion as of Jan 20, 2017? What happens if it turns out that President Trump has clay feet, does not have a coherent foreign policy and fails to delivery on his (somewhat internally inconsistent) set of campaign promises? Conservapedia is "all in" on Donald Trump, even if he is not a traditional conservative. Hclodge (talk) 04:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
If and when Trump falls out of favour with the CP crowd, they will all deny that they ever supported him and claim that they always thought he was a RINO. All of the pages singing his praises will disappear and they will burn any evidence that those pages were ever there. Oceania is at war with East Asia. It has always been at war with East Asia. Spud (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah yes, 'Donald Trump's glorious victories'. It looks like something they'd have written for Stalin when he starved seven million Ukrainians to death - 'A glorious victory over thieves and wreckers!'. For people who think homosexuals should be imprisoned or forcibly 'converted', they're really eager to get on their knees and work for that gravy. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:37, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
From reading Andy's talk page, 1990sguy spent July 14 following around JDano reverting all of his edits. He then went running to Andy and posed a "Dispute resolution request". In essence, 1990sguy said either JDano goes or I go. Before JDano could reply, Andy said, sure, block him. JDano then explained his concerns with 1990sguy's edits, and Andy came back after actually reading the edits in question, with:
JDano, I find 1990'sguy to have made justifiable criticisms, and he is free to use his blocking authority. In addition to changing the introduction of the popular gun control entry in a way that obscured the liberal push for it, you inserted this sentence: "So, to the extent that opponents of gun control laws claim that the government is trying to "take away" guns, such [forfeiture] provisions are the focus of their concerns." [20] That is not what most opponents of gun control are focusing on when they talk about the government trying to take away guns.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2017 (EDT)[2]img
So, 1990sguy has gotten yet another long-time editor voted off the island. Hclodge (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

RobSmith and the collaboration between Trump and the Russians[edit]

The CP editor with the most experience with the modus operandi of the Russians in RobSmith, who has done extensive research into the cold war. Assuming that current press reports are true and that Donald Trump Jr met with six or seven people, including an ex-KGB agent, I wonder what Rob thinks of this. Was this a soft test to see if Trump would report the contact? Were the Russians working with the Trump campaign to microtarget their propaganda efforts? Conservapedia has been strangely silent on their reporting of these developments. Hclodge (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps the snide websites he uses for "extensive research" haven't confronted the issue yet. London Grump (talk)

Here's all you need to know about nobs. A list of unarmed black men so long I can't recall more than a dozen names, all of them shot dead by the cops, usually in the back? Had it coming! Shouldn't have looked so threatening! No trend here! One, single unarmed white lady? THEY'RE COMIN' FOR US! Semipenultimate (talk) 22:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, here's a rundown on what's known.
  • Early June 2016. Clinton donors hire FusionGPS which employs Rinat Akhmetshin and Natalia Veselnitskaya who are involved in illegal unregistered lobbying to repeal Russian sanctions (the Magnitsky Act, authored by John McCain).[1] FusionGPS hires Christopher Steele who authors the Steele dossier.
  • 9 June. Rinat Akhmetshin[2] and Natalia Veselnitskaya, working for FusionGPS, meet with Donald Trump Jr.[3]
  • 27 June. Bill Clinton-Loretta Lynch tarmack meeting. Bill reports Don Jr successfully compromised in FusionGPS operation, giving probable cause for FISA warrant.[4]
  • Late June. Lynch seeks FISA warrant to eavesdrop on Trump and associates.[5]
  • 8 May 2017. Eric and Donald Trump Jr. summoned to FBI headquarters for emergency meeting with Dir. Comey, bureau cybersecurity agents and CIA representatives.[6] Comey leans on Don Jr hard with plea bargain in effort to get Don Jr to implicate higher ups. In the tradition of J Edgar Hoover, Comey is trying to blackmail Trump Sr.
  • 9 May. Comey fired.[7]
  • 11 May. Mueller hired. Comey, thinking he's on to something hot, leaks allegations of obstruction of Justice.
  • 8 June. Comey testifies to Congress. Don Jr sends out 80 tweets during hearing, still fuming over Comey's treatment.[8]

There's the theory in outline. I'll be happy to entertain questions. nobsAloha Snackbar 22:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

If you're happy to entertain questions, why not answer the one you were asked. What do you think of it all? Remember to use footnotes for the air of authenticity. London Grump (talk) 12:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Hclodge's questions? Ok. No, this was a Clinton machine operation to harass and compromise the Trump organization and get the foreign intelligence gathering apparatus on them. An easy task, being the Trump organization are business people and novices in the political arena. This phenomenon is discussed here: "attempts to silence, censor and stifle its opposition through intimidation and harassment, and encourages law enforcement scrutiny of opponents". Russia has no connection with the Trump campaign. This was Clinton operatives collusion with unregistered Russian agents efforts to repeal sanctions. nobsAloha Snackbar 15:07, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey nobs, it's fairly impossible to speak with you on a human level because, as I've said before, you're insanely biased against the Clintons. You think they're mass murdering child molesters, and as such, no activity is below them and every single thing they do is presumed to be motivated by this deep, satanic evil they have inside of them. All of your logical processes are tainted by this irrationality. So here's my 2 questions, nobs, I'm going to start small and work up from there: 1. On 1/19/2009, was the closing value of the Dow Jones Industrial Average 7949? 2. On 1/19/2017, was the closing value of the Dow Jones Industrial Average 19742.58? These are yes-no questions, and the facts they reference are easily found, non-controversial matters of public record. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

(A) What does that have to do with Hillary gate and the Obamagate scandal?, and (B) I should hope so the Dow be that high. Where else do you suppose all the cash pumped into the system by quantative easingWikipedia's W.svg and Maiden Lane TransactionsWikipedia's W.svg should be? If it wasn't in Dow stocks, we'd have uncontrollable inflation right now with all that cash walking around on the streets. Those increases do not reflect any productivity gains or increases in real wealth. nobsAloha Snackbar 18:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
What it has to do with all the connections you are creating is your willingness to have two wildly different evidentiary standards between the way you think about Donald Trump and the way you think about Bill & Hillary Clinton. Your avid consumption of every piece of nonsense, from Vince Foster up to and including a child slavery ring run out of a pizza shop, confirms it. Hillary shall be viewed with monster-colored glasses; thus two people running into each other in an airport is spoke of in hushed, breathless tones by bloody-minded conspiracy theorists with twenty-year grudges to settle. Almighty Trump shall be viewed with saint-colored glasses, through which his constantly-shifting explanations for the deep connections with Russia are hand waved off. This is the exact reason I left the Republican party, when the bullshit parade began to drum up support for the invasion of Iraq. By the time shock and awe happened, just about every Republican had lined up to agree it would be free, nobody would die, and they'd love us forever, despite vast evidence to the contrary. Reality was abandoned and hard truths ignored. AND NONE OF YOU HAVE FUCKING LEARNED A GODDAMN THING SINCE THEN. You just keep doubling down, and now somehow Barack Obama is running a vast conspiracy while simultaneously on the best year-long vacation I've ever seen. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
(Up front let me state, I have never posted anything anywhere in mainspace about the alleged pizzagate scandal. May have made one or two nuetral to disparaging comments in discussion somewhere, but nothing implying anything). Overall, the current scandal is not partisan. The Iraq war was not partisan. If anything, John McCain's complicity in the mess created since the Arab Spring ought to be apparent, and I am working hard to hold him and others to account in the historical record. McCain plays big in the Russia scam, too.
Only a true blind partisan would ignore the Lynch-Bill Clinton meeting, and I have enough solid sources all around - if not Lynch's & Comey's own words - to condemn it. As to Trump, as stated earlier, the real scandal is in money laundering, not election hacking. You guys have wasted a year pissing in the wind and barking up the wrong tree. Good. Now that you've destroyed your own credibility, we can get to facts with less noise. No one is more anxious for facts and evidence than me. nobsAloha Snackbar 22:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok, so you're not a pizzagate believer. I believe you! I agree with you! Pizzagate is a pack of lies put out by people with an agenda who don't care about the truth! Now please let me know if you believe any of the people on this list were not, emphasis not, murdered by the Clintons: James McDougal, Mary Mahoney, Vince Foster, C. Victor Raiser II, Paul Tully, Ed Willey, Hershell Friday, Luther "Jerry" Parks, John Wilson, Kathy Ferguson, Bill Shelton, Gandy Baugh, Donald Rogers, Stanley Huggins, Florence Martin, Susan Coleman, Paula Gober, Paul Wilcher, Jon Parnell Walker, Ron Brown (+34 others in the plane), Barbara Wise, Charles Meissner, Kevin Ines, Don Henry, Keith Coney, Keith McKaskle, Gregory Collins, Jeff Rhodes, James Milan, Jordan Ketelsen, Stanley Heard, Steve Dickson, John Hillier, Maj. Gen. William Robertson, Col. William Densberger, Col. Robert Kelly, Spec. Gary Rhodes, Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Conway LeBleu, Todd McKeehan, Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj.William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds, Gary Johnson, Dennis Patrick, L.J. Davis, and, gasp for breath, Larry Nichols? As I said earlier, you don't even need to be complete! Simply identify _any_ one of these, just one, as having died for reasons other than being murdered by BC/HC or the theoretical conspiracy that represents them. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Comment: of all the source links provided, the ABC News from May 8th, the day before Comey's firing, is the most interesting. Here we learn an unsuccessful "overseas cyber attack" was the email chain received arranging the June 9 2016 meeting. nobsAloha Snackbar 19:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: This item from RT a few hours ago almost certainly confirms Natalia Veselnitskaya is a Putin operative. The public evidence now is virtually conclusive that FusionGPS & Russia colluded together to influence the Obama Justice Department and US intelligence community to harass the Trump organization. This is not to say as the investigation progresses things can't be twisted, as they usually are. It seems Leftist critics think this is the smoking gun after a year of innuendo. In fact, the investigation is only beginning after the media destroyed it's crediblity over hacking. It never was about election hacking. It has always been about sanctions violations of the Magnitsky Act. nobsAloha Snackbar 03:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: How do we know this is so? In the link, Veselnitskaya lays all the blame on Bill Browder. Browder is the guy who lobbied Sen. John McCain to author the targeted Russian sanctions bill (Magnitsky Act) which Obama signed. Browder is Putin's archenemy responsible for the sanctions. Putin has had trouble getting his side of the story told; (basically, Browder, an American, invested $350 million in Russia when the Cold War ended. He & Putin were best friends. Corruption in Russia ripped off his $350 million. Browder sent an accountant, Magnitsky, to investigate. Putin's boys threw Magnitsky in jail and sent Browder a big tax bill. Magnitsky was serving a one year sentence, and died on the 357 day just before his release. Of course this pissed Browder off, and told John McCain all about it. When Putin took the Crimea, targeted sanctions were leveled against all the gangsters involved in stealing Browder's money. Putin has been trying to get the sanctions lifted by discrediting Browder & Magnitsky's tale of events, which Veselnitskaya does here now before an audience that never heard Putin's version because of the sanctions.) nobsAloha Snackbar 03:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

It's a thing of real beauty watching the insane right in the US desperately trying to spin this into an anti-Clinton and Obama mess and to try to claim that Trump is entirely innocent. And the latest one for you to try to blame Clinton and Obama for nobs? How Trump lied about having a second, essentially private, meeting with Putin at the G20. Go on, find a way to blame Clinton and Obama for yet another lie Trump has been caught telling. Oldusgitus (talk) 05:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
See, this is why we gotta address the opioid crisis. If you think you're on to anything at all cause Putin and Trump talk, you really need to stay away from that pill bottle. nobsAloha Snackbar 07:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm British, our socialised National Health Service isn't like the US where you can apparently get opoids just by saying you want them and paying your doctor to give them to you. We don't have an opoid crisis, we leave that to people like Rush Limbaugh in the US and other right wing nutters who deny that their president and his family colluded illegally with an enemy power to subvert the US constitution. You don't know a right wing nutter who is in that kind of state of denial do you by any chance nobs? Oldusgitus (talk) 09:49, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
A tip: you'd do good to drop the word collusion. It's only s boomerang. nobsAloha Snackbar 22:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

  1. Confessore, Scott Shane, Nicholas; Rosenberg, Matthew (11 January 2017). "How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump". The New York Times.
  2. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rinat-akhmetshin-who-russian-lobbyist-who-met-trump-team-n783161
  3. https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/complaint-firm-behind-dossier-former-russian-intel-officer-joined-lobbying-effort
  4. "Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?", BBC, Jan. 12, 2017.
  5. https://youtu.be/5CSZKmssG2o
  6. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-probing-attempted-hack-trump-organization-officials/story?id=47652150
  7. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/rosenstein-letter-annotated/526116/
  8. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-80-tweets-comey-2017-6

Andy Schlafly's weekly column at WND[edit]

The latest zingers by Andrew Schlafly, the general counsel to the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons and founder of Conservapedia.com. Enjoy! --larron (talk) 11:16, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Is it me, or did Joseph Farah think Andy was a dick? I know Phyllis wrote for WND but I seem to remember Farah being blunt about Conservapedia. London Grump (talk) 18:57, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
It was the Conservapedia Bible Project that really did it. A few pieces were written, some words went back and forth, nobody really rocked the lunatic boat too much. Ironically, changing the Bible is one thing Andy and I agree on! I present the brand new Ephesians 6:5-9: "Slaves, rise up against your masters, for slavery is of the Devil. Serve wholeheartedly, until such time as their guard is down, and then strike quickly. Masters, free your slaves and give them your worldly wealthy, and beg for their mercy, and for the LORD'S, for slavery is of the Devil, and so is the slave-master." For some reason, no takers. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:06, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Coservapedia's racism confirmed[edit]

If a white policeman kills a black person then always back the policeman not matter what the circumstances. If a non white policeman kills a white person then we have this.[3]--Mercian (talk) 19:38, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Their racism was confirmed when they wrote a positive article on the alt-right. Christopher (talk) 19:44, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
According to Rob's extensive research, excellent contacts and I authoritative footnotes, "The shooting is not a race issue, as many are trying to make it. Mohammad Noor executed shariah law on a woman who ratted out his Somali Muslim homies.". I would link to it, but, seeing as he sees them as some kind of objective validation, he can nurture his own Google rankings.London Grump (talk) 07:27, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps you are not grasping the full extent of this issue. Follow it in the Minneapolis Star/Tribune or St Paul Pioneer Press/Gazette, or any other twin city site. It is not a race issue. It is multiculturalism itself on trial in a city and state that deems itself the nesting place of social democracy in America. Minneapolis has a large, highly educated Swedish dominance, that mirrors the social experiments of its motherland. Minneapolis is probably the only city in America (if not the world) that has a Dept. of Human Rights. Minneapolis had, up until yesterday, the first and only lesbian gay married chief of police in America. HMOs, a form of single payer, were invented in Minneapolis in the 1970s. Hubert Humphrey, more than JFK or LBJ, is considered the father of the modern civil rights movement in the Democratic party. Minneapolis was specifically selected by the federal immigration authorities for resettlement of black Somalian Muslims based on all these factors, and the experience of experiments conducted in their homeland Sweden. Minnesotans are not only aware of these factors, they formulated this plan themselves. Now comes a backlash against shariah (this video was made in the MinniApple) which they have been in denial about since this experiment began.
As noted elsewhere, Americans do not have free speech restrictions as Sweden & the EU have. We can talk openly. This is not a race issue, it is a shariah vs women's rights and public safety issue. nobsAloha Snackbar 19:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Fuck off, Rob. You know bugger all about the world outside the US, as you prove time and time again.
I'm in the UK and I can say and write the same kind of ignorant paranoid bullshit you do. I choose not to because I stick to stuff I know about. I'm sure you can prove me wrong with an op-ed or blog by someone else who knows fuck all about the rest of the world, someone who's frightened, embittered world view vindicates your outlook without too much concern for reality, but that's the way it is.
Fact is once again one of your trigger happy cops killed someone. But this time you can twist the cop's ethnicity into your simplistic narrative.
If it walks like a narrow minded bigoted duck, and quacks like a narrow minded bigoted duck...London Grump (talk) 22:42, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
This is an interesting case, and look at the facts. Mpls has a trigger-happy, undertrained, scared shitless, Uncle Tom token Somali on the force as a PR move to create a "role model" for Somali youth, and improve relations with the Somali community. Bottle rockets were being set off in the neighborhood that night - the perfect cover story for the cop hearing a "bang". Normally in officer involved shootings, the department hangs together. The chief returns from vacation 4 days later, gets briefed on the facts and says publicly "this shouldn't have happened", thus blaming the cop. Chief gets shitcanned the next day by the mayor. What's wrong with this picture? Ironically, the shooter is still on the force. nobsAloha Snackbar 04:03, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
At heart is multicultural tokenism. The city's broader objective at integration can't be forever marred and police/Somali relations marred because of one guys fuck up. We're very familiar with these stories. It took 4 dead girls before the US Navy ever had it's first female land a plane on an aircraft carrier, or the first female FBI agent killed on the line of duty was shot by a fellow agent cause we're never trained to consider a woman running in high heals might be an agent. But we learn from these things, and progress. nobsAloha Snackbar 04:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Would you say that these problems essentially stemmed from (or were exacerbated by) the simple involvement of women in the aforementioned contexts? I.e., do you feel that negative outcome could've likely been avoided (or reduced) in these scenarios, had the relevant women — ceteris paribusWikipedia's W.svg — been men? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
The deaths are the result of an active social experiment to build a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society based on equality. Social engineering. Progress, or Progressivism. The social engineers promoting "transformational change" (these were the words Hodges used even after the shooting) typically don't make full disclosure of the risks to innocent people or active participants. The risks being death, be it by accidents which could be avoided, or murder, in what is essentially a controlled experiment. nobsAloha Snackbar 15:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
The mayor was elected to improve relations between citizens and police. To understand what's happening in Mpls, read this item from a year ago. Some snipits: time for change on policing and race; a new culture of accountability; Mayor Betsy Hodges, right, and Police Chief Janeé Harteau, seen at a May 14 news conference, have launched several initiatives to improve interactions between officers and residents; Minneapolis is a leader in this work nationwide. We are doing things few other cities have done... nobsAloha Snackbar 16:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Answer the question, Rob. London Grump (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2017 (UTC)