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Donald Trump achievements
On January 3, 2017, cp:Donald Trump achievements started out as an interesting article. Trump had promised to achieve a lot on "his first day" and during his first 100 days in office, and the idea of an objective article that tracks whether Trump met his promises could be interesting to readers. The article quickly became politicized by User:1990sguy, who many suspect is a parodist. Anything mentioned on breitbart.com became an achievement, and any "failure" added by other users was reverted as premature. According to 1990sguy, the fact that corporate earnings increased in the first half of 2017 is a Trump achievement and not the result of Obama's economic policy. Rather than try to collaborate with other editors, 1990sguy repeatedly ran to Andy's talk page. His standard for achieving agreement is:
If you still disagree with me, please go and convince the site's owner to agree with you.
It has been a long time since an editor has argued "We are here to do what Andy would want" instead of "We are here to follow the Conservapedia commandments." The harder 1990sguy labors to show that Donald Trump has had countless achievements, the more he makes a case that very little has been achieved. Hclodge (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
1990sguy is starting nuclear war. In essence, he is adding bias to other people's writing and then goes running to Andy if anyone pushes back or reverts. 1990sguy is too busy to actually read and think about other people's edits, so he is complaining to Andy about inaccurate edit summaries. In response, Andy threatened:
Misleading or inadequate edit summaries are a justification for blocking, whether the edits themselves are considered actual vandalism or not. In addition, any editor who repeatedly distracts productive editors should be blocked, and will be blocked. No further justifications are needed.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2017 (EDT),
The context of the dispute was that 1990sguy wrote that President Trump had denounced black lives matter as "anti-police" when in fact, the official transcript of the speech (as well as the media reports) show that Trump did not expressly mention black lives matter. Instead of admitting that he was wrong, 1990sguy complained to Andy about inaccurate edit summaries. In response, this new essay appeared: cp:Essay:Truth and accuracy matterimg 1990sguy is busy adding inflammatory stuff into JDano's text and Andy claims that JDano (rather than 1990sguy) is an "editor who repeatedly distracts productive editors". Hclodge (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, 1990s guy is a reasonably subtle parodist who slowly but surely is working his way into Andy's favour. JDano is a deluded type who thinks he can make the site more reasonable. His days are numbered--Mercian (talk) 22:51, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
- You may be right. 1990sguy blocked JDano again today for inserting neutral statements about Trump's transgender tweet and his Phoenix campaign rally into cp:Mainstream media and Donald Trump. The article had started out as an interesting exploration of how those two interacted. Now that 1990sguy has discovered the article, he is turning it into a pro-Trump megaphone of how the Mainstream media (except for Fox and Breitbart) is hounding our poor, defenseless President. Not that I want to dox anyone but 1990sguy has given out inconsistent information about his age, his country of residence, and his educational background. This leads me to agree with Mercian that his is not what he presents himself to be. At least Breitbart is refreshingly candid about what it is: a clickbait site that sells ads to people who can't resist an admittedly outrageous headline. Conservapedia has its commandments (as well as the unique insights of Andy), but is trying to convert into a Breitbart want-to-be. Hclodge (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
As one cannot enumerate the set of real numbers, one cannot bullet-point the true beauty of the set of achievements of Donald Trump. They are a continuous flow never rising above a reasonable reader's threshold of detection. But then we have Breitbart to do that for us. Paid Breitbart staff is under orders to turn every non-story or non-achievement into a story about a successful Trump achievement. 1900sguy then must reword each Breitbart story into a bullet, without regard for whether it really was the Trump Administration's achievement. Take Trump's campaign promise to build a wall on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it -- no failure there. How many hundreds of bullets will I have to read before Trump and the Congress pass a major piece of legislation? Hclodge (talk) 09:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- Will Donald Trump's greatest achievement be the decision of the rest of the world to no longer rely upon the US to be the world's police-person/policing-the-world state? Anna Livia (talk) 10:30, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
- All Donald Trump achievements represent his imposing his will over the considered policy preferences of others. Any independent thought or "blacklash" is not factored into his thinking. Therefore, any beneficial but unintended consequence of his action is outside the Conservapedia definition of "Donald Trump achievement." Consider this proposition:
Putin controls Donald Trump Trump's policies are driving the world away from US leadership Hence, Putin gets his goal.Hclodge (talk) 11:19, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
As we have already noted 1990sguy has expanded his personal fiefdom from cp:Donald Trump achievements to cp:Mainstream media and Donald Trump an article that had been the product of other editors. His heavy-handed editing has resulted in an essay fork by User:JDano: Mirrored here So far, the only reaction has been a talk page comment from Ken, which Ken quickly deleted. It will be interesting to see how 1990sguy reacts because the contrast between the essay and 1990sguy's article shows many problems with how the non-essay version handles the material. Hclodge (talk) 16:28, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the list no longer visible due to a glitch?t 15:31, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
- It is indeed broken. -Xbony2 (talk) 01:05, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- RationalWiki:Technical support#Conservapedia:Best of Conservapediat 10:20, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Ken's new sock puppet?
- The page has now been deleted by Ken. Given Karajou's record when it comes to sock puppets he would have been blocked anyway, Ha!. Who the hell was he trying to fool anyway?--Mercian (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Ken kills off the freedom to Essay
Probably the most sophisticated feature of Conservapedia is how it handles internal dissent. After all, it was founded to be unlike Wikipedia which can be very brutal in handling minority views. They came up with Essays as the way to allow expression of dissents. Even the strange outlier TheAmericanRedoubt still has essays on the site reflecting his unique world view. On Tuesday, two editors sought to address long-standing editorial differences by creating the essays cp:Essay:Mainstream media and Donald Trump (now
deleted userfied at: cp:User:JDano/Essay:Mainstream media and Donald Trump) and cp:Essay:Pussy Riot - an Anti-Putin Perspective. 1990sguy took this as a personal affront and went running to Andy demanding that the former be deleted. Andy responded that it should not attack him, and an appropriate change was made. 1990sguy went running back to Andy's talk page to no avail. Finally, Ken stepped in and moved the essay to a user subpage on the grounds that it was too similar to the cp:Mainstream media and Donald Trump article. Ken wanted it to be 80% different (not 80% more accurate) under threat of the user subpage being deleted. So, Ken felt free to delete it as an essay, and as a user subpage because it exposed 1990sguy's sloppy scholarship and misuse of sources because readers don't like articles that are too similar to each other. Ken invented a secret magic tool to measure the degree to which articles are different and was sharing the tool with 1990sguy "so he can evaluate your efforts in an objective way." Having realized how flawed this approach was, Ken just deleted the page both as an essay and as a user subpage. As a parodist, 1990sguy has been more effective at tearing down all of the poles in the circus tent than anyone before him. Hclodge (talk) 10:01, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
After 1990sguy spends the morning mindlessly edit warring, he gets Karajou to lock his preferred version and JDano makes another essay with his further research on Joe Arpaio. Meanwhile, silence from Andy. Hclodge (talk) 15:43, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
The rationale keeps shifting. 1990sguy looked at the biographic material, which has sentences different than WP and sources other than those appearing in WP, and claimed "The info that you added is essentially copied from WIKIPEDIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Arpaio&oldid=799706221 The other changes insert left-wing bias (SPLC and ACLU are left-wing orgs, NOT "civil rights." JDano modified the bio further, but 1990sguy just kept reverting. However, Karajou adopted the rationale "Push to include biased liberal POV by JDano. So, 1990sguy does not want a biography in an alleged biography article because it distracts from his political narrative, and any wiki biography will be similar to the dreaded Wikipedia. Karajou is worried about facts containing liberal POV. Somehow a man with limited management experience in law enforcement, who showed a lack of competence and professionalism as county sheriff resulting in millions of dollars in lawsuits is being touted as a saint who got his pardon "noting his over 50 years of 'exemplary' public service". Hclodge (talk) 16:11, 11 September 2017 (UTC)