Draft talk:4B movement

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Page Creation

I done gone made an article for the first time. Please be nice to me. Actually, don't. Be critical :D User:TheJessieKirk

Learning how to format would be of great help, such as learning how to makes note, and linking, among other things. See here if you feel unsure. Just to make it look more appealing.

SomeAutisticAce (talk) 18:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Getting into Mainspace

Hopefully addressed the concerns given to allow the article to feature in mainspace. User:TheJessieKirk
For reasons below, I'm rather keen on getting this page into Mainspace, so would appreciate guidance please. Very first Wiki article, see. User:TheJessieKirk

A Wikipedia Edit War

There's quite the edit war going on in Wikipedia land on this subject. Camp "not transphobic" vs. "transphobic." Meanwhile, lots of women are going into this movement blind, so RW has an duty, I feel, to tell the truth. User:TheJessieKirk

Stuff to add in

Hey I just went on the page, but I don’t know how to include these in the page yet, so here’s some stuff you could add:

- Misandry, for real this time.

- Homophobia and transphobia (partly already in the article)

- Encouraging to commit crimes against men

- Advocacy for those that are dislike to kill themselves.

- Calling those who are married slaves and enablers of the patriarchy (victim blaming for the first).

I don’t know if you speak Korean, because I don’t but here’s the source listed for these claims: The source in question

SomeAutisticAce (talk) 18:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to edit this draft. Monet ^Ye 08:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

It may be worth mentioning that the YouTuber Xanderhal spoke in favor of the movement, though I personally don't think he fully understands the dark side. This really isn't that important, but it does show that Western sources are covering it a bit more. IntrepidSkeptic (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

So did Khadija Mbowe ([1]). Carthage (talk) 10:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think 4B is intrinsically anti-LGBT

Starting this page with "is a transphobic movement" would be like if you started the page for radical feminism that way. Chillpilled (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

For an example, here's a radfem site that is trans-inclusive ([2]). Carthage (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

This is not new, nor is it a Western movement

Northern, Democratic women have been relatively frigid for many years now, arguably since at least the Housing Crisis of 2007, and arguably more-so than Northern Republican women. Nor are barely any of them aware of this Korean tiktok thing. 108.44.242.138 (talk) 15:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, open misandry and real-life hostility toward men has been tolerated among Democratic women, but less so among Republican women since at least 2015, a year before Trump led his first primary. 108.44.242.138 (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)