Essay talk:Big Pharma is funding the Anti-vaccine movement

Be my guest

Oh ho ho ho. Тy^talk 01:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

LOL I can't bring myself to do it, but if someone else with a complete lack of ethics is willing, I must admit I'd be amused to see if this bit of nuttiness could take hold. VOX^HUMANA 01:29, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

One grandmother is an altie. How cruel am I feeling today? Тy^talk 01:34, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

"In many western countries with socialized medicine they don't even get to negotiate - the governments simply tell the suppliers how much they are going to get paid and that's that."

Have any sources for this? The essay is... interesting. Osaka Sun (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Very late reply, so aimed more at newer audiences. This was a result of Bush. Specifically Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act. In the US, the drug manufacturer gets to have more weight in negotiating the price, and as people are very altruistic and definitely won't hold your or your loved ones life hostage for money, you can trust they'll do the right thing.

Here's some interesting links, the Brookings Institution openly admits that setting the price outright for drugs would help. On the other hand, it fails to mention at all that funding for research isn't even the biggest concern, but rather marketing is for these companies. See this Atlantic post that points out some flaws in that argument. But at the heart of this issue is the undercurrent of "socialism vs capitalism", where there really doesn't have to be a splitting of those two systems. Regulation is good, some public services are good, universal healthcare is one of them. Single-payer healthcare.

"But where will the money come from?" I could think of a few places, and no, I don't mean the absurdity of taxing the poor, I mean things like capital gains taxes, progressive income taxes, corporate taxes, you know, taxes where the money actually exists. Good fucking luck getting that though, the rich already run the systems and would veto that down instantly. I guess we should just resign to our fate. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 13:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

This is simply fraud article

This article is misleading. Statements that it is based on "Like companies have no profit but actually loosing money" simply doesn't hold water. Please read official report on Vacine earnings in last 10 years. Tripled in value from USD 5B in 2000 to almost USD 24 B in 2013. This is enough to see hidden intention of this author and his financiers.

5x3=24? News to me.

I want this to be an article

Even if it's just a joke article. This stuff is great, not least because it reads like anti-Big-Pharma screeds. "You do the math." FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 02:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Similarities with other privatized public services

Private prisons are notoriously shit for the same kind of profit motive, those aren't totally gone either. It's interesting to note the Pfizer has been a fan of lobbying against public healthcare in the past, I recently dug up a link of them being donors to Liam Fox on the contribs to the IEA article. BumblingBuffoon (talk) 12:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

That one Goldman Sachs thing

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html Yeah. It's always surreal to see this kind of thing essentially repeated by big money. Not the onion? BumblingBuffoon (talk) 14:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Big pharma is actually making a fortune from vaccines.

So the projected income next year is between $93.2 billion and $124 billion - from just two companies. And if - as seems likely - they persuade the developed world that people need boosters every six months or so even those estimates could be proven wrong.

The rest of the essay so is rich with nuttiness that I'm wondering if I've fallen for a spoof though.

But anyway, the source mentioned in the link I gave is just the financial times, I'm sure that there may be some antivax blogger somewhere with some conspiratorial different opinion.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 15:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Oh no! It's ten years' old! I feel so silly!Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 15:15, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, someone necroed it. At any rate it's pretty clear from one of the edits that the editor was trolling. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2021 (UTC)