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Why is clefairy.net considered a "webshite"?[edit]

WTF is your reason: Probably a transgender woman in denial, this is a rare example of a detransitioned TERF who was assigned male at birth that got really popular on r/detrans. He is a normal male and has made some very good points about transitioning. Mil Mi-8 (talk) 06:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mil Mi-8 And what would those points be? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie
  • I don't think that transition is a healthy thing to do to your body, and it further marginalises the already marginalised group that is: women.
  • Transition is a coping mechanism for dysphoria, and a very intrusive one at that. It's self harm. You are setting yourself up for an entire lifetime dependent on expensive hormone treatments. You will become a lifelong patient. The risks of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are well discussed.
  • If you're a feminine guy or a masculine girl who is uncomfortable with how society treats you based on your sex, I feel for you. ...It's OK to be a feminine guy, though. It doesn't make you a woman. It doesn't detract from you being male. It's OK not to fit neatly into a stereotypical box. You can find peace and be loved just by being you.
Quotes from https://clefairy.net/oversharing/ Mil Mi-8 (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
@Mil Mi-8 Are you or the blog poster a medical professional, specifically biologists or psychologists? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
An obsession that your body is wrong and disgusting and needs to be changed through six-figure surgeries Source is not healthy. In fact a study from 2011 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/) shows that transition surgery in fact does nothing to help people's wellbeing. People who transition get obsessed with getting their "correct" body. They take tons of surgeries but then it does nothing to make them happy. They lose focus on life. Hanging out with friends, doing hobbies that you enjoy, being with your loved ones, this creates far more happiness than changing "parts".
In a more personal note, as a small child I felt I was a girl trapped in a boy's body and I pestered my mom to allow me to wear a dress. But as I grew older, I became more and more upset that I wasn't born a boy. But after I got therapy, I was able to accept the body that I was born with and I feel so much happier now. Mil Mi-8 (talk) 11:07, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
@Mil Mi-8 I'll take your text wall as a no. So, given you do not in fact possess the prerequisite expertise, on what basis are you objecting to transitioning as a medical and psychological treatment for gender dysphoria? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
@Mil Mi-8 Please address my question. Given you lack the relevant expertise to speak on this subject, as does the blog poster, on what basis do you oppose transitioning as a treatment? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:18, 16 March 2022 (UTC)


My own experience when it came to trans issues, as well that Swedish study I have cited. Also, that cost of trans surgery that I have also cited.Mil Mi-8 (talk) 11:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
Also I would like to thank you @GrammarCommie for being kind and putting back the comment and sticking up for me. Real appreciated it. 😊 Mil Mi-8 (talk) 11:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
@Mil Mi-8 Since we're talking medical treatment, our personal experiences are irrelevant. As for the study you cited, one study from eleven years ago does not disprove the current academic consensus on this topic. Which, unless it changed since last I checked, was treating gender dysphoria with a transitioning regimen, with oversight from multiple types of medical professionals. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
I kinda have doubts that GrammarCommie would be that nice. I saw him at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you’re doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any electrical infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 14:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)