Talk:Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder

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maybe change of title[edit]

The term is actually Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, that's maybe useful.Carlo Landzaat (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of the title, I think that it shouldn't have every word capitalized.--ZooGuard (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I left it capitalized because its an acronym. The actual proper term is Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Mayhaps change to that then add a bunch of redirects. Or whatever, its unimportant.--NerdyWizard (talk) 22:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Needs work[edit]

This article needs some smoothing out, but its got potential. I think the main issue that needs to get worked out are the unfunny anecdotal references and adding more bits on what the cranks say.--NerdyWizard (talk) 22:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Adult adhd[edit]

There was a lot of talk early on that kids with adhd would not become adults with adhd. It was put as a childhood condition. There should be something on the issue of adults being treated for this. Hamster (talk) 00:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Added a section on adult ADHD. Adults definitely suffer from this (myself included), though most ADHD adults were also ADHD as children. Aristos achaion (talk) 04:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

"ADD is a fictitious disease" myth[edit]

We really should cover the oft-repeated (and thoroughly debunked) myth that Dr. Leon Eisenberg, one of the people who really helped diagnose and treat the condition, said the whole thing was made up. TokenSkepticMagician Talk, comments and 'UR a fag lol's 0:14 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Deficit relative to what? Why is the so-called Deficit considered a condition? 145.64.134.242 (talk) 07:23, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Why don't we start here? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 07:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
"Diagnosis requires a certain number of symptoms of either inattention or hyperactivity listed in the DSM to be present for at least six months". in plain words: "some of one thing or its opposite for not a too short while". Can't get more iffy than that, or can it? Evidence based my arse.145.64.134.242 (talk)
In what dictionary are "inattention" and "hyperactivity" antonyms? ℕoir LeSable (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
What's the evidence-based criteria for prefixing a level of attention with "in" and a level of activity with "hyper"? The frustration of a teacher that can't offer enyting interesting to a curious child? There's so much quackery in this discipline.145.64.134.242 (talk)

Leon Eisenberg[edit]

First of all, why the openess?? Whatever, you should cover the cases were well known and respected medical scientists called ADHD a fabricated myth. For example Leon Eisenberg http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-83865282.html And several others. Greets --92.227.215.48 (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I already talked about it. And no, Eisenberg never said it was fake; he merely said it was over-diagnosed. Snopes thoroughly debunked that rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp User:TokenSkepticMagician Talk, comments and 'UR a fag lols' 21:51 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Behavioral therapy[edit]

@RBP I meant "treat successfully" as in "help", or "have a positive impact", but in retrospect I agree it implies something unfounded. Thanks for fixing. I'll do my best not to let the "crazy" out from now on. B) talk 22:58, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, I think the "to a degree that varies..." part is pretty unnecessary. That's true of any treatment. No need to go out of our way to make CBT sound super questionable when there's a growing body of research suggesting it's not. B) talk 23:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello! First of all, thanks for even working on this article. Goat knows it needs a lot of improvement. Second, I'm a big supporter of CBT. In the scenarios it's been proven to work, it truly does. So let me point out that it's not by any flaw of the CBT that it can't "cure" (as in, entirely dispel) the probems caused by ADHD (explaining the edits I made); it's because ADHD has a neurobiological manifestation that's very real, and which sadly cannot be "cured" (as in, entirely dispelled) by any form of therapy whatsoever. There's a misguided hope, as with autism, for sufferers and their families, that somehow the condition might be entirely "curable". That is not the case (as mainstream evidence-based medical science has proven conclusively) even though quacks claim otherwise. Short of some sci-fi CRISPR-type cure, ADHD is and continues to be something you continue to deal with, with the great basic help of stimulants and therapy. Signed, an ADHD sufferer Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
No problem; I was surprised it only mentioned medication and thought I'd fill it out a bit. I can totally see how the original wording could be taken to mean "dispel completely", and agree on all points. Thanks for clarifying. Cheers B) talk 23:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! Also, please don't forget to add your very own {{dftt}} to my support list — it'll help the foundation pay for my very own child clown. All the best bud, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:46, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Just don't abuse the air horn. Squirt guns are almost as effective B) talk 00:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
With the proprietary Child Clown Poison Spray™, getting your child clown to perform as intended is as easy as gently misting him with poison. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm too old to be edgy[edit]

...but if I ever write a book on ADHD? Somewhere in there — probably on the segment detailing the so-called Emotional Distress Syndome specific to ADHD — I'm likely quoting a snippet from these The Offspring lyrics:

(I realize)
All I want
All I need
Always lies just out of reach
I've been coming up empty

(I realize)
I ran as fast as I can run
I pushed as hard as anyone
But still there's nothing for me

(And I want)
I've tried as hard as I can
(And I need)
I've taken all I can stand
(And I fall)
But I am running a race
Against myself
Against myself, yeah

(I realize)
Burning out, strung along
Now my sorrow is my song
My whole world is half-hearted

(I realize)
For my pain I have none
After all is said and done
Now I'm back where I started

(And I want)
I've gone as far as I can
(And I need)
I've taken all I can stand
(And I fall)
But I am running a race
Against myself
Against myself, yeah

(And I want)
I've tried as hard as I can
(And I need)
I've taken all I can stand
(And I fall)
But I am losing the race
Against myself
Against myself, yeah

Against myself

It's one thing to have your typical song based on whining about how things can feel uphill; it's perhaps another when the central theme is the impression that you yourself are your own biggest obstacle.

Now, personally — my ADHD has never been better; I'm really just posting this for novelty reasons (and because The Offspring kicks ass). And to those out there with ADHD, who may be able to relate to dat feel when [the above]? Get a hold of these two books (they're also both conveniently available as Audiobooks from Audible if you're the type that happens to zone out from reading!). And don't forget to be awesome. Th hug.gif Reverend Black Percy (talk) 22:03, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Bump, but I relate, and it's worse that people berate you for not trying hard enough. The equivalent? Telling a dyslexic to "try harder" at reading or a person with bad eyesight to "see harder" (and the corrective lenses are like medication; they help you do better, but you still need to carry your effort). --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 05:54, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Tasty new science[edit]

The Lancet: "Subcortical brain volume differences in participants with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children and adults: a cross-sectional mega-analysis".

TL;DR: Yes, ADHD is an incurable neurological condition, the effects of which literally extend to macroscopic brain morphology (never mind to the fine detail of both brain and behaviour).

ADHD sufferers (and relatives of ADHD sufferers alike); get informed. And be excellent to each other — stuff like this reminds us that nagging isn't going to help, and that's it not a "problem of willpower" or "of discipline" in any sense of either words. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Join the feels trip ;_; ♥[edit]

For anyone out there with ADHD (like me), I highly recommend this video.

That is all.

All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

20 common ADHD myths debunked[edit]

A must-read for everyone interested in ADHD, it features the most recent research (as of 2017) from one of the leading guys in the field, Dr Thomas E. Brown.

The .pdf is a short, freely available excerpt from his just-released book: Outside the Box: Rethinking ADD/ADHD in Children and Adults: A Practical Guide.

Seriously, check out the critiques it's gotten here (and from who). Top notch stuff. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:13, 29 June 2017 (UTC)