Talk:Birther

We now have three articles on this:

• Barack Obama's birth certificate
• Obama_citizenship_denial

Any suggestions? - π 07:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The second one's the best title, ditch this & redirect? I looked for & didn't find ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 08:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

But the first's the best article. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 08:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge 1 into 2 and redirect this to the appropriate section? - π 08:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thinking about it, the Birthers could be worth an article on their own but otherwise yes. ^{This message brought to you by: respond}_and honey 08:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Birthers are only Birthers. They're basically all wingnuts and white supremacists groping for a reason to reject that uppity N****r commie's election, and we have articles on both those phenomena. Wazza^{Hello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me...} 08:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think most believe it logically, they just want to see Obama out of office. It is a strange phenomenon that they are so upset about him winning that they have latched on to this completely baseless idea. - π 08:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

If we keep this "birthers" article then I think the Obama_citizenship_denial#Birthers should be cut and pasted here.--Bob^{Not Jim} 09:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, so have done it. Any better? It also means we can go more in depth on the individuals this way. ^moral 10:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks logical to me.--Bob^{Not Jim} 10:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alan Keyes

A line about Alan Keyes presently reads: "A perennial candidate of US President, he actually has standing to challenge Obama as he was on the ballot in California. " Ummmm ... What does this mean?--Bob^{Not Jim} 12:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

"A perennial candidate of US President" - He runs for president every time

"he actually has standing to challenge Obama" - The courts don't like frivolous law suit, you can only sue someone if you have "standing" that is you have been effected by them in some way.

"he was on the ballot in California" - People in California could vote for Keyes for President even though he was not nominated by any party.

Clearer? - π 12:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Somewhat. It was the having "standing" that was confusing me. But surely the fact that he was on the ballot doesn't give him "standing" to sue Obama over every imagined reason which might later disqualify his candidacy does it? For instance, suppose Keys was told in a dream that Obama was really a Martian. Would he have "standing" to bring this up in court? Is it much more bizaire than saying he's not an American?--Bob^{Not Jim} 12:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The Martian bit would probably get thrown out after the judge read it. I suspect McCain would have the strongest case against Obama if he was not actually a US citizen, although Keyes case has proceeded the furthest so far. - π 12:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Orly Taitz

We have articles on most of theses people, why was the contents removed? - π 09:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Because her section here was several times longer than her article. Sorry if it was too quick and dirty an edit. Totnesmartin 09:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll gather some stuff on her talkpage to flesh out her article with, we might even get to the bottom of the dentist/lawyer/real estate agent mystery. - π 09:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, women are known for multitasking. Totnesmartin 09:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Birther question

The birthers should argue that all 'proper' American citizens should be tattooed/microchipped with their date and place of birth - so that if such individuals decide to stand for election they can prove they are US citizens.

And most of the birthers would be going yabba-yabba-squawk if an American were elected Pope. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

(EC)The fundies would absolutely shit if that happened. Part of End Times theory is that everybody left on earth will be barcoded and/or microchipped, and won't even be able to buy a can of beans without their own barcode. This is pretty much what they're on about, and and this will make your brain hurt. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:59, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

But - *only* those persons theoretically eligible to be President get given the sign - and it is only to prove their eligibility.

Given that 'several' serious candidates for the US Presidency have been ineligible on technicalities (Barry Goldwater, the President possibly given a later birth date as he had been born on a ship etc) why don't the birthers attempt to strengthen the legislation?

The UK position is rather more genteel. 212.85.6.26 (talk) 18:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The main question is - why go to all the trouble ofsetting up BO as a fake-American? There would be a reasonable chance that he would decide live in Kenya or Indonesia, get hit by the proverbial asteroid, not to run for President etc etc? Unless you involve time travellers (or a side effect of the Large Hadron Collider trying to destroy itself before it was created), more hassle than it is worth, and it does not seem to have worked.

One theory I read recently is that the problem is that he is of mixed ancestry. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I heard and tend to agree that "that" is the case. More specifically, the ancestry that gives him a year-round tan. ħuman 04:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

So would the certain persons objecting object less if he was 'properly black' rather than 'the m-ation word that I cannot spell'? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

All that needs to be done to prevent 666-itis is to put the 'mark' somewhere not readily visible, only to be looked at when questions of American-birthness are at issue (the 'papal checking chair as was' is slightly too slashy for such purposes). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Slashy in the fanfic sense. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

ADK^{...I'll coach your toothpick!} 17:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Misegenation?

Has anyone tried to disprove the produced birth certificate yet?

All birthers

Should be made to provide #their# long form birth certificates #and at least one other proof of identity# before they can get stuck in.

They should also explain why the Holy See did not self-destruct when not one but two non-Italians were elected in succession, Nicholas Sarkozy and other such interminglings. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Now effectively 'three in a row.' 82.44.143.26 (talk) 15:36, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

2012 election

How much of a 'Birthers agin Obama in 2012' campaign was there - and why didn't they attempt to add an amendment to the Constitution to prevent such matters arising again? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:24, 2 November 2012 (UTC)