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Fun fact of the day: According to Language Log, the longest name for a sovereign nation is the Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu, the name under which Taiwan participates in the WTO. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 04:33, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Um, since they can't call themselves "China" or anything close to that? PS, hell, Wales has town names longer than that ;) ħuman
04:37, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Exactly. PS: Yes, of course, since they made them up for that purpose. :p --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 04:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Off topic (Finnish)[edit]
The shortest Finnish place name must be Ii, I don't know the longest.
Finnish has a tendency for long words. There are two mechanisms helping this. The "dirty trick" one is that Finnish makes compound words by writing them together, like German I think. So saippua (soap) + kauppias (seller) = saippuakauppias (seller of soap).
No nuclear reactor has exploded in Finland yet, but you wonder when it will, as the following word has been used in some technical paper (for real):
atomiydinenergiareaktorigeneraattorilauhduttajaturbiiniratasvaihde (66 characters)
(something like: the gear of the generator cooler turbine of an atomic energy reactor)
The second, more legitimate system, is the addition of suffixes. Not only Finnish has some 15 cases, but it has no prepositions. Instead, suffixes can be used. talo (house); talotta (without a house); taloanitta (without my house).
An example of a long non-compound word in Finnish:
Kumarreksituteskenteleentuvaisehollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenteluttelemattomammuuksissansakkaankopahan (103 characters).
Kumartaa is "to bow", but I don't think any Finnish would understand what that word could mean. But it is grammatically right.
A final note. That example of the soap seller I gave earlier is a palindrome. But there is a longer one too. Kivi means stone. Saippuakivikauppias is a "seller of soap stone". Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 16:45, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Wtf happened here?[edit]
The article appears to be written by a Serbian spambot (or something - at least the language suggests something other than a human, English-speaking user; hard to exactly gauge what the point is, though). It's probably been hijacked by somebody. Does anyone know how to revert it to a previous version or something? I don't know anything about the topic, though.— Unsigned, by: G.D. / talk / contribs
My English is not perfect, but I am far from spam-bot. The fact that I'm a Serb changes nothing. I wrote equally bad on Serbs, Bosniaks, Albanians and Croats. Nobody likes Bosnia and Herzegovina arranged according to Dayton agreement. Bosniaks want unitary state, Croats and Serbs want more freedom or independence. --Max Sterling (talk) 03:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
World War One[edit]
Majority of the movement wp:Young Bosnia who perpetuated assassination of the archduke were Serbs indeed and aided by Serbain inteligence service, but there were members and simpatizers who were Croats (like future Nobel laureate wp:Ivo Andrić) and few Muslims (such as wp:Muhamed Mehmedbašić). Croats and Slavic Muslims hardly fought in the name of Serbian nationalism. More accurate description would be in the name of the Pan-Slavic/Yugoslav movement --Max Sterling (talk) 03:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't want to wage an edit war, but you constantly push oversimplistic and misleading version. Black Hand was Serbian nationalist organization, but its members weren't Serbs. Black Hand was not purportedly behind the assassination - they were mastermind of the operation. One of the most prominent member was Mustafa Golubić, a Slavic Muslim. They cooperated with Young Bosnia. Again, members and sympathizers of Young Bosnia weren't exclusively Serbs and not exclusively nationalists (there were anarchist and future communists). Btw, unified South Slavic stated called Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes became reality in 1918 (not in 1919!) and it was only renamed in 1931. Ideas of joint state could be traced in first half of 19th century. Gavrilo Princip, the man who shot Franz Ferdinand and who died in prison before the end of the war, considered himself a Yugoslav nationalist. Does this all fit within Serbian nationalist movement, or there were more? --Max Sterling (talk) 05:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
My bad. In 1931 new constitution was proclaimed. What about Mustafa Golubić, Muhamed Mehmedbašić, Ivo Andrić, anarchists in Young Bosnia. How they fit into Serbian nationalistic movement? --Max Sterling (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
You know, guys, I would appreciate some discussion. --Max Sterling (talk) 01:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
- Your writing is a pain in the ass to correct, we're not really trying to develop ourselves as a resource for the finer points of obscure Bosnian political history, and people fear that you're trying to push a pro-Serb agenda. Also, your mother dresses you funny and your favorite band sucks. Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 01:38, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
ОК, Kendoll, You have problem with turning Rational Wiki into a resource for finer points of obscure Bosnian political history, but you don't have problem with errors? And how could I push pro-Serbian propaganda, when I presented some of my people as idiots? You need to know some facts in order to understand why Bosnia is all but functional state, why Santa Claus is expelled from kindergartens and schools, etc. --Max Sterling (talk) 08:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)