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Talk:Chris Ray Gun

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Name[edit]

Should this be Chris Maldonado or Chris Ray Gun? Benn (talk) 23:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd say Chris Ray Gun. It's what the general public knows him as. Kind of like how people with stage names have their Wikipedia articles use the stage name, with their real name being a redirect. Blitz (Complaints Box) 00:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
@Benn It is consistent with our other articles to use their pseudonym instead of their real name (e.g. Armoured Skeptic, Computing Forever, JonTron, Millennial Woes, RageAfterStorm, Sargon of Akkad, Shoe0nHead, Thunderf00t, etc.). CowHouse (talk) 05:10, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Classical liberalism[edit]

Chris Ray Gun self-identifies as a "classical liberal". https://twitter.com/chrisrgun/status/775227899964170240 https://ask.fm/ChrisRMaldonado/answers/137847052618?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=answer_own#_=_ https://twitter.com/chrisrgun/status/776526263741665280 https://twitter.com/ChrisRGun/status/721706874945593344 LuodiWang (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Omissions[edit]

I'm not well-versed on Chris as he's unbearable as a person, but from what I know about him, this article omits a lot of his more objectionable qualities. He supported Gamergate, and trades mostly in schadenfreude against SJWs. If he's considered relevant for RationalWiki, then it's relevant to reflect his character. 78.146.191.73 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

He also endorses the whole "sex with a transwoman is gay" idea that has been used to justify violence against them. And, like most anti-SJW YouTubers, he has no qualms about retweeting somebody with a small following he takes issue with in order to sic his fans on them. Speaking of his fans, I've seen them use his Puerto Rican lineage as a #NotYourShield talking point as well. Don't know if he himself does, though. Blitz (Complaints Box) 00:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Keep in mind that I only very recently created the page, so obviously there is a lot more to add. Ryanruff13 (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Punch a Nazi[edit]

In his propaganda video, "Punch a Nazi", Chris Ray Gun constantly tries to label his strawman of a social justice warrior as both a communist sympathizer AND a neo-Nazi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhGYo9TExU Cognitive dissonance much? LuodiWang (talk) 17:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Claudia Brown[edit]

Claudia Brown fact-checks Chris Ray Gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbno9GpO1nw LuodiWang (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

James Earl Cash's edits[edit]

@James Earl Cash Thanks for adding the timestamps but unfortunately none of them worked. The easiest way to do it is to add "&t=0m0s" to the end of the URL (replacing the "0"s with the correct time, e.g. 3:45 would be "&t=3m45s").

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure what this sentence you added means: "Not at all surprising then is that he would twist and distort Martin Luther King's words about racial equality for all races to include fair criticism for black people as being just as oppressive as white people." It might be more clear if you restructure this part and include a quote from Chris Ray Gun and then a response. CowHouse (talk) 06:16, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep that in mind on the time stamps. I'll definitely expand the MLK stuff later. James Earl Cash (talk) 06:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash I think the Blue Lives Matter part needs better sourcing. This is what we have on the page:
"He has also defended Blue Lives Matter and refused to countenance any inherent issues with that movement, instead referring to people taking issues with false parallels between the two groups as simply having a negative opinion of the group, as opposed to the obvious difference is that black people can't stop being black whereas cops can avoid the danger they face by quitting being cops."
Here is what is in the video cited:
MTV video: "Also, Blue Lives Matter isn't a thing" "Cops weren't born with blue skin. Right? I mean, yeah. They weren't born blue."
Chris Ray Gun: "Good, fucking brilliant. You've got to be kidding me with this shit. You can't say something you're addressing isn't a thing just because you have a negative opinion of it. Also, they weren't "born blue". What the hell does that mean? What does that literally mean?"
He barely said anything about Blue Lives Matter, either positive or negative. So I don't think it's fair to say he "refused to countenance any inherent issues with that movement". He didn't really defend it, he just said you can't say it "isn't a thing". He didn't talk about parallels with Black Lives Matter either. Better references need to be added or this should be worded differently. CowHouse (talk) 05:51, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Gave it a bit of a shoeshine treatment just now. James Earl Cash (talk) 06:43, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Dominant genes[edit]

Chris Ray Gun thinks that the concept of dominant genes is "racist". http://katblaque.tumblr.com/post/158503166319/chris-ray-gun-white-hysteria-and-dishonesty LuodiWang (talk) 00:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I remember that happening. What a fuckin knob. James Earl Cash (talk) 03:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
I hope you wouldn’t mind adding this information to the current article. LuodiWang (talk) 17:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
It'll be a bit of work, and some people might take Blaque's own tumblr as a biased source, so feel free to correct me if I screw up. James Earl Cash (talk) 01:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, so I know it's been a few days and I just noticed it, so this really shouldn't be an issue for me, but is there a reason you reversed my previous sentence on this talk page? James Earl Cash (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
My bad. I was trying to reverse the edits of another article, but I must have clicked the edit history of this talk page by mistake. LuodiWang (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

White supremacy[edit]

I stumbled on this page and I am surprised just how vacant it is when it comes to this guy's past statements when it comes to white supremacy. This guy went on record as defending Youtuber JonTron's statement of support for Steve King's comments of fearing a racial demographic change in the US; he then went on to attack multiculturalism as a conspiracy against Western nations and supported JonTron's fake stat that Black people in the US commit more crime than white people regardless of class. He has doubled on such beliefs by stating 'Imagine white people go to Asia and say, "There's too many Asians here. Let's do something about that." I dunno, man. Just fucking creepy.'. He has instituted the alt-right isn't a real movement and is just a slur created by humorless SJWs. Though it appears the coward deleted it, he made a video blaming the Left for the Neo-nazi led violence and murder at Charlottesville. He also got schooled by Shaun when it came to his brain dead feminism video and his BS about the alt-right not being a movement--Carman (talk) 04:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Nothing you mentioned has the least thing to do with white supremacy. I suggest you look up the definition of the term.--sierjade (talk) 23:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

"Criticized"[edit]

Though it may be pedantic, I'd like to point out that he isn't critical of the issues listed, he's dismissive of them. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)