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Common misconceptions about evolution[edit]

SciShow lends a hand. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Nice. I one time had to argue with my art history teacher that "nature is survival of the fittest", attributed that to Darwin, and that "nature selects the best and discards the rest" and that doesn't really line up with evolution. The video didn't touch too much on the idea that "less fit" organisms die off when I think they simply slowly vanish from the population; their genetics change slowly, gradually, it won't be noticed until after tons of generations to the point species from one point is different from species from a past point. The part about genetic traits being "strange", "useless", "neutral" is very interesting, I'd bring that up whenever the opportunity arises. It might mess up some brains! --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 18:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Where should I put my edit?[edit]

Tell me where I should put it, or you can put it there yourself, or, if it is already somewhere else, then tell me. Jeezbaby (talk) 23:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't rightly know. It's got some applicability to De-evolution but there's nowhere I can find on the wiki that really suits it exactly. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 04:49, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

jeezbaby's edit[edit]

Contrary to popular belief (and what most Creationists will say) evolution does not necessarily mean the fluid transition from lower life forms to higher life forms. Rather, Evolution is a complex process with many steps and processes. Religious people have reduced the idea of evolution to a ridiculously simplified caricature. Do not fall for this tactic.

It doesn't have a good section. Do we even have an article about misconceptions about evolution? Because they're describing a common one, even among people who believe in evolution. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 23:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Tweet[edit]

Where does [1] belong on the various RW-evolution-related pages? Anna Livia (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

[2] well, read that. It says that a carcass is still an open system. — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:F160:161D:8676:18B5:893C:1DAE / talk
AiG? Really? The apologetics group who's leader's default argument is "Were you there?"... Really aiming for the heavy hitters aren't you? Next up, Gravitiy is a satanic plot... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:26, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
But does it mean being an open system does not mean evolution is consistent with the second law? — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:F160:161D:8676:18B5:893C:1DAE / talk
No, resresponse? Does that mean there is not argument against it? So AiG has a point? — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:F160:161D:8676:18B5:893C:1DAE / talk / contribs
What does this have to do with a species that reappeared because its common ancestor evolved twice? Piss off, creationists. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:17, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Well I am no scientist. Just seeing the difference in opinions. And seemed Answers in Genesis has a response to the debunk of open system, unless a scientist reading also has a response. And it seems both sides can give responses forever. — Unsigned, by: 2600:1:F160:161D:8676:18B5:893C:1DAE / talk / contribs
It's not a "difference" in opinions. It's one side being willfully ignorant and dishonest to real scientists and advancing questions that has been already answered. "Both sides" are giving responses forever only because creationists are intellectually dishonest. Anyway, this is veering off topic. I like to have comments that don't involve promoting creationism, okay? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Evolution is based on a logical fallacy[edit]

1. if evolution is true we should observe varying fossils in the fossil records 2. we observe varying fossils in the fossil records 3. therefore, evolution is true

A textbook example of the fallacy of affirming the consequent.--Anotherbeliever (talk) 01:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Anotherbeliever if you think fossils are the only evidence for evolution, please read Common descent, or much more what you may be looking for (something recent), look at the Lenski affair. Evolution and its mechanisms are relatively easy to observe. its as simple as the proteins that replicate our DNA making a mistake, or placing a "stop" in the wrong spot. Creatures who manage to make it to reproduction with these changes (at least if the change occurred prior to the creation of reproductive cells) will pass on the trait to their offspring.PhoxyDude (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Indeed, there are multiple lines of evidence which support the Theory of Evolution. The fossil record is not even the most compelling - something which is borne out by the fact that it is only mentioned once in the entire article! (And which leads me to think that Anotherbeliever hasn't even read the article before commenting on it.)Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Are there "multiple lines of evidence" that a bat and a sponge share a common ancestor? Since that's what evolution imagines.--Anotherbeliever (talk) 23:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
There is evidence that points to life on earth being at least 4 Billion years old, the "microevolution" you speak of is really the only kind of evolution. The current prevailing idea is that the very first single celled organisms would have "eaten" (more just adsorbed through their cell membrane) the raw minerals within the earths early ocean, and very, very, very slowly inched their way into separate directions, of course completely dictated by what caused them to reproduce best. sponges are actually animals, and are possibly the oldest animal, which would have been over 600 million years ago. filter feeding wasn't the most efficient thing for some of them, and in some areas they died off, but the animals capable of moving were able to reposition to better feed themselves and reproduce. This continued in similar veins as things like sexual reproduction concentrating characteristics as two creatures would have to be successful enough to reproduce. Animals diverged in many different ways, but the source of commonalities is traceable. I don't know if this will make you feel better, but regardless of anything this could all be "god's plan" as it is impossible to prove he does not exist. PhoxyDude (talk) 01:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Reportedly, sea sponges share almost 70 percent of human genes according to this Sydney Morning Herald article! (Note: There is a way more technical article in Nature itself that correlates to the Herald article. If you don't mind dry and technical, the Nature article is the superior read, because its purpose was to examine the genome of a Great Barrier Reef sponge in relation to the evolution of animal complexity, and the article goes into a lot more detail about various biochemical similarities.) Either way, whether a sponge, bat, or human, the biochemistry is quite similar for any self-replicating multicellular organism. As *cough* pointed out in the common descent article. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
(fuck your edit conflict) Yeah, I was gonna point out, about 60% of the human genome has a recognizable counterpart in the genome of a banana, while the actual proteins encoded by them are 40% identical. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 00:32, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes. It's really really easy to find backup for "humans sharing X percent of DNA with Y". This is not even open for debate.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 15:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)