Talk:Fetal pain

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Not that fallacy[edit]

Fetal pain, although disputed among the scientific community, is a key argument among pro-lifers who insist that fetuses feel pain. It is commonly used within the pro-life movement as an appeal to emotion. Pro-lifers claim that fetal pain is complementary to their argument that fetuses do possess sensory perception and must not be made to suffer, which few in the pro-choice movement disagree with.

Do I get it right: you claim that this is an appeal to emotion because fetuses actually do not feel pain? But a logical fallacy, as the word itself says, is an error in the logical structure of an argument, not a factual inaccuracy. For that we have another word: a lie. Or misinformation.

And why does the article state that this is a key argument amongst pro-lifers? The whole sentence doesn't make sense, in another words it says that "those pro-lifers who insist that fetuses feel pain use fetal pain as a key argument". It's just repeating itself. And it's certainly not any kind of "key argument" amongst pro-lifers. Key argument is that human life starts at conception and the life of every human being should be protected. Painful death is certainly "more horrible" than painless one, but it doesn't change the act of killing someone - essentially. One can be harmed without experiencing the hurt that sometimes follows from that harm, and which we often mistake for the harm itself. --Earthland (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

See WP:Neonatal_perception#United_States Jack Hughes (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't maintain that the intro needs no changes[edit]

Repeat of the above:
Pro-lifers claim that fetal pain is complementary to their argument that fetuses do possess sensory perception and must not be made to suffer, which few in the pro-choice movement disagree with.

Say what?

few in the pro-choice movement disagree with.

Let's just say many in the pro-choice movement agree with.

So what are they agreeing with (few disagreeing with)?

that the pro-lifers claim that fetal pain is complementary to their argument that fetuses do possess sensory perception?
or,
fetuses must not be made to suffer,
or,
as the article suggests, pro-choicers deny that the fetus feels pain.Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 01:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

maybe fetuses could be euthanized before they are murdered terminated[edit]

Maybe even cryogenically preserved. Human, in his essay seemed to have compassion for mice. (poor l'il mice)Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 01:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Souls[edit]

The soul feels pain. Talsley (talk) 20:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

That's why you use lots of salt when you cook them. Pink mowse.pngGodotThe Peyote God awaits 20:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Souls are ethereal. You cannot cook them. Only suicide can destroy them. Talsley (talk) 20:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Suicide doesn't kill a soul, it just damns it for all of eternity (by a just, merciful, and all-powerful Christian God or Allah).Civic CatTalk to Civic Cat 01:13, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

more stuff[edit]

Fetal pain has never been a matter of merit in any US court decision on abortion, including Roe v. Wade
.I'm sure the same holds for animal rights.

What causes more pain, abortion of a human fetus, or immersing a lobster into a pot of boiling water? If a human fetus' nervous system is so primative that it can feel pain, I guess we can boil lobsters and other crustacea alive. Maybe instead of using mice for experiments in cryonics, we can use human fetuses.Civic Cat (not a pro-lifer) Talk to Civic Cat