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Too many caps. "Bombing" in the title should not be capped, and the title should be singular, not plural (see the rule I made up and never told anyone about, "Wikipedian Common Law at RationalWiki"). Also, "suicide bombing" should not be capped. These are not proper names or book titles, just phrases. Otherwise, nice work! humanbe in 15:45, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Cool, most of that is fixed. Can we singularize the article title now? After the links are fixed, I'll go delete the redirects... btw, I wented and wrote truthiness and suicide bombing. Nice choices to link to. humanbe in 16:02, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
Awesome work, and thanks for fixing the title and redirects. I didn't mean to be cranky ;) humanbe in 17:37, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

No sweat. Doggedpersistance 17:39, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Shameful - Don't you dare compare Hiroshima and the crew of the Enola Gay to the evil vermin that turn themselves into weapons to murder the innocent. Hiroshima was necessary to help end a DECLARED WAR against a fanatical enemy who started it. And the crews of bombers aren't "safe" - the enemy air defenses usually have a little to say about the bombardment. Tens of thousands of U.S. airmen were killed and wounded. Many were never found - reduced only to fragments and ashes which rained down to earth. These are heroes. There is a distinct difference. — Unsigned, by: 70.121.139.17 / talk / contribs

I suppose the people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and perhaps the survivros may be inclined to argue your "these are heroes" bit, but never mind. You miss the point entirely, it's saying "not to be confused with normal bombing" with the nuclear bombings being given as a very clear example of mass-killing that isn't judged as harshly as when it's done by <s>darkies terrorists. Scarlet A.pngbomination 14:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)</s>
Also, the planes dropping those two nukes were safe - they were flying at a zillion feet up, and would be thought to be reconnaissance flights, and well out of the range of anti-aircraft weaponry anyway. PS - But thanks for commenting. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
And, IIRC, the US flew planes at that altitude over the cities for a few weeks/months before hand so that people got used to them, thought they were only for reconnaissance flights and would stop going into their shelters. Sounds pretty homicidal to me. Scarlet A.pngbomination 21:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure the 100,000 or so people killed in the hiroshima bombing will agree with your assesment that the crew of the enola gay are "heros". its a relative term bro--BenB (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The relativity of the term has nothing to do with it. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings were acts of war were done by military bombers and had nothing at all to do with suicide bombing. Although there is the appallingly tenuous link involving suicide pills, if that was the case then we may as well also include someone like Francis Gary Powers, who was also issued a suicide pill as a spy plane pilot, among other examples. In short, it's an entirely irrelevant incident. Scarlet A.pngbomination 12:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Timeline[edit]

So, I've added a timeline of usage of the term "homicide bombing" as well as how quickly Bush gave up on the term himself (preferring to use the term "suicider"). It is pretty long, but I think it also makes an interesting read. Thoughts? Perceptron (talk) 13:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Laughable[edit]

Bombing property[edit]

I don't think this is terribly relevant to the article's argument, but it's worth pointing out that contrary to what the article says, bombing property is a common terrorist activity, particularly in European nationalist terrorism, such as the PIRA from Northern Ireland, extreme Welsh nationalists firebombing English homes, the National Liberation Front of Corsica's attacks on infrastructure and symbols of French rule, etc. The Provisional IRA often (but not always) gave warnings of bombings, allowing properties to be evacuated before they were blown up, thus causing property damage and huge amounts of inconvenience without the PR problems of killing children. Many groups mixed attacks on property with targeted assassinations and other killings. --Gospatric (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)