Talk:Ietsism
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Should this be in the guide to atheism or the articles on religion? I'm new here so I'm just wondering. HollowWorld (talk) 12:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I used to believe something like this....[edit]
I called it "vaguetheism".... i.e. "I'm sure there's something out there, not sure what it is exactly". (((Zack Martin)))™ 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- I believe in it, sorta. It's hard to say really. In fact... HollowWorld (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Requested section[edit]
Would anyone who is comfortable with the concepts, be willing to talk about the difference between Ietsism and diesm? I think it should be in here, and I'm personally quite curious! --
Godot 17:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- The problem is describing what somebody who has Ietsismic beleifs is that there isnt any form of unified belief, its a term for a vague belief in something, that might be a high power or just a binding essence, so i guess the main difference is a deist is much more sure that theres a clockmaker scientist causing the show while a person of Ietsisme has a feeling that theres something there. --il'Dictator Mikal 17:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- My understanding is that ietsism is basically the posh word for "spiritual but not religious", or if I was being cruel; "B-b-but there HAS to be more, or something, b-b-because, you know, because movies a-a-a-and, erm, stories, you know, erm tell us that the world HAS to be more interesting, right??". Deism is much more definitive that there IS a personal God, just that He buggered off after making the universe. Deism ascribes some properties, as unobservable and non-predictive as they are, ietsism ascribes zero properties except for "it exists", yet without even going so far as to say what "exist" even really means in that context.
postate 19:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- That fits so up there in neuro-religion studies. Anyone who has every done meditation, or how out-of-body experiences, or extasy experiences (not specifically the drug, but the original greek idea of the term) all describe this vague sense of "something bigger" "oneness with all creation", and what not. (I tried to discuss it on our article on religious experiences.) I think lots of people have tapped into that (what is to me, a biological thing) sense and said "wow, must be somethign more". and this fits. you never have to go beyond the word "something", cause i suspect few people ever do. They hike a mountain, get exhausted, have said "experience" go "ohhhh, ahhhh" a few times, then go back to the real world and never really think about it. nor am I suggesting, they should. I'm happy with "something", cause no one is going to say "gays cant marry cause of "somethign". :-) or "we should teach about my something in school". ;-)
Godot 20:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
- That fits so up there in neuro-religion studies. Anyone who has every done meditation, or how out-of-body experiences, or extasy experiences (not specifically the drug, but the original greek idea of the term) all describe this vague sense of "something bigger" "oneness with all creation", and what not. (I tried to discuss it on our article on religious experiences.) I think lots of people have tapped into that (what is to me, a biological thing) sense and said "wow, must be somethign more". and this fits. you never have to go beyond the word "something", cause i suspect few people ever do. They hike a mountain, get exhausted, have said "experience" go "ohhhh, ahhhh" a few times, then go back to the real world and never really think about it. nor am I suggesting, they should. I'm happy with "something", cause no one is going to say "gays cant marry cause of "somethign". :-) or "we should teach about my something in school". ;-)
- My understanding is that ietsism is basically the posh word for "spiritual but not religious", or if I was being cruel; "B-b-but there HAS to be more, or something, b-b-because, you know, because movies a-a-a-and, erm, stories, you know, erm tell us that the world HAS to be more interesting, right??". Deism is much more definitive that there IS a personal God, just that He buggered off after making the universe. Deism ascribes some properties, as unobservable and non-predictive as they are, ietsism ascribes zero properties except for "it exists", yet without even going so far as to say what "exist" even really means in that context.
Shakespeare quote[edit]
Would 'There is more to heaven and earth than in any philosophy' sum up Ietsism? 86.191.125.232 (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
- That's a misquote, so if you want to put it in, here's what Hamlet actually says: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." As far as whether it's a good summation: it's certainly not a bad one. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 22:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Ietsism isn't religion[edit]
The article says that Ietsism is neither religion nor irreligion; this is false. Religion involves practices; Ietsism doesn't. It's a form of irreligon that involves a belief in a deity. Just call it that and celebrate that irreligious and religious people can find a common ground (like deism). — Unsigned, by: 73.93.52.252 / talk 03:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
