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Kasprak[edit]
His Snopes article is presently cited in this article.
There's some parts of that worth highlighting and investigating.
- Claims that Fidel Castro and Margaret Trudeau had an affair that produced the current Canadian prime minister are impossible on both biological and historical grounds.
Kasprak is a science writer, so he gives us a science lesson, even including a helpful chart
- Justin Trudeau was born on 25 December 1971. By means of a rough estimate, we note that a 2013 study published in the journal Human Reproduction used data from 130 pregnancies to investigate the range of different pregnancy lengths from conception to birth (gestation) and reported a range of from 247 to 284 days:
- It is extremely unlikely that Justin’s birth fell outside of that gestational range, meaning that Castro and Margaret Trudeau would have to have conceived their secret love-child between March 16th and April 22nd, 1971.
I say let's have 100% faith in Kasprak's science math! But then let's continue:
- if the prospect of a head of state (or his spouse) making secret visits to foreign nations unnoticed sounds plausible, careful examination of the historical record provides little chronologic room to place Margaret Trudeau and Fidel Castro together at the time necessary to have conceived the child.
Of course we do not know how small a window would need to be for Kasprak to consider it "little". That shall be discovered later...
- Upon their return from their honeymoon, the shock of the Trudeaus’ marriage (she was 22 and he was 51) put them under intense media scrutiny, making it unlikely the young Margaret could slip away to Cuba for a tryst unnoticed, since she was now the talk of the town.
I say let's have 100% faith in Kasprak's assumption here! If Margaret left the country, the media would surely take notice! So let's rule out the possibility of SECRET visits to foreign nations unnoticed. But let's continue...
- The first couple made a big impression at a local sugaring event, for example, on March 27, and the press (in a testament to the level of scrutiny the prime minister’s new wife received) noted that Margaret did not travel with Pierre on an April trip to the Niagara region:
Kasprak provides a helpful link to an April 3rd article here. He then follows up:
- For the remainder of April, Pierre was busy with governing, as attested to by logs of the Canadian House of Commons, making unlikely that his work would take the couple anywhere near Havana.
We don't exactly know how much governing Pierre would need to do later in April to be considered "busy" with it, according to Kasprak's standards. However, if the implication is that House of Commons logs supports Pierre remaining in Canada from April 2 to April 30, I believe Mr. Kasprak would be mistaken about this.
The reason for that can be found in 2 articles of the Ottawa Sun published in April 1971...
Tuesday April 13 (page 5) "Trudeaus' Privacy respected"
- BRIDGETOWN, Barbados (UPI) -
- Prime Minister Trudeau and his wife left here Monday by chartered plane on a quick sidetrip to an unidentified nearby-island
- They arrived here Thursday on a brief "second honeymoon," and reportedly stayed at a private residence on the island's posh west coast.
- Heavy security measures have been in effect since their arrival,
- and the local press was asked to respect the newleyweds' desire for privacy.
- A government spokesman said Trudeau was due back in Ottawa Wednesday
- to prepare for the reconvening of parliament.
Friday April 16 (page 9) "Trudeau Meets Williams"
- PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad (Reuter)
- Prime Minister Trudeau lunched privately-Thursday with Trinidad and Tobago's prime minister, Dr. Eric Williams.
- Trudeau flew in from Tobago, the sister island of Trinidad, where he was holidaying with his wife since Tuesday.
- Shortly after his luncheon engagement, Trudeau took a return plane to Tobago to rejoin his wife, Margaret.
- The Canadian high-commission said it was in not in a position to say when the prime minister and his wife would leave Tobago.
- "We know he has to be back in Ottawa on April 18," a commission spokesman said.
- The Trudeaus visited Barbados, and spent a day swimming off Bequia, a tiny island in the Grenadines, and nearby islets while they visited St. Vincent Monday.
This indicates they arrived in the islands Thursday April 8, and while they were due back on Wednesday April 14, they decided to extend their stay until Sunday April 18.
The 28th Canadian Parliament ran from 12 September 1968 to 1 September 1972. The 2nd session was from 9 October 1970 to 16 February 1972. Volume 5 covers the period of 1971 from March 22 to May 5th as specified on the cover.
If you check page 567, Parliament ended on April 7, and page 569 shows it was April 19 when it re-convened.
So essentially, it's really unclear what Kasprak means about "logs of the Canadian House of Commons" attesting that "Pierre was busy with governing" for "the remainder of April" (meaning April 4 and onward) when clearly there are no HOC records at all covering the period of April 8th to April 18th, which just so happen to be the 10-day period in which Pierre and Margaret were taking a 2nd honeymoon in various carribean islands, with their exact locations not known due to media respecting their privacy. Ty (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Indigenous relations[edit]
I think a mention should be made for Trudeau's blatant disregard for aboriginal title
and violation of indigenous treaty rights in perpetuation of the settler colonial pipeline that's being illegally constructed in unceded land. Vee (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Gaffes & other image problems[edit]
I think some of the stuff in the Trudeau being Trudeau section should be condensed into a single section on Gaffes and other stuff that impacts perceptions of him while being otherwise inconsequential. This stuff's only relevance to Rational Wiki is to give an idea of why people perceive him as they do, but we should remain neutral on most appearance-related things, aside from mentioning some irrational criticisms and praises of him. This article should mostly focus on his policies, as that is what's really relevant if we want to give someone a better perspective on Trudeau. --LiamM32 (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2023 (UTC)