Talk:Natural gas

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Mission??

Mission?? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 05:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Give me few days. I know I can make this on-mission. Lord of the Goons ^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk} 05:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

If this is going to be about farting, Goonie, move it to fun. NOW. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 05:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not. There are tons of crank ideas involving natural gas, especially relative to it being a replacement for oil and coal. Trust me, ToP, energy is my field of expertise. At the very least, I could snarkify it into a slam against YEC. Lord Goonie ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 05:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

it was in ToDo list so I started it as a serious article :) , amend as you like Hamster (talk) 05:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll hack away at it over the next few days. Hell, I can probably add more crank ideas about it than people here knew existed, and with all kinds of technical refutations. The Goonie Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 05:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Burning natural gas produces CO2, as mentioned, but is not a "clean" fuel. Suggest rewording, perhaps cleaner than other fossil fuels? -- 14:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Anecdote

Back in the 60s, I lived for a while on Canvey Island. There was a terminal where Algerian NG was imported. A road tanker full of the odour additive (used at approx 1,000,000:1 concentration) crashed and spilled. Reports of gas leaks all over Essex! ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 15:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Similarly, someone was synthesising some of that stuff in a fume hood. Now, these things protect people in the labs but, well, see here. They managed to cause an evacuation of the nearby area because they let a relatively small amount of it leak out. ^moral 15:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Landfills

Methane collected from Landfills - worth mentioning ?
cant find a source for cow fart collection Hamster (talk) 15:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I recall a news bite about some cattle farmer who as doing just that. BTW it's not the farts it's the belches, I understand. ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 15:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thought so. ^{I have just eaten} _& stilton^talk 15:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

T. Boone Pickens Interview

Ok, I thought I'd mention this. I originally put this on the To-do list because I saw a daily show interview with T. Boone Pickens. He basically argued that we needed to use electric cars to help reduce foreign oil dependency, but that an electrical engine can't run an 18-wheeler, so for shipping we need to use natural gas (and he also claimed we could find sufficient natural gas in the United States, unlike oil). I'd like to know if this is a practical way of thinking?--130.160.97.246 (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, even if the US does hold natural gas supplies, it's replacing one problem (that it will eventually run out) with the same problem (that it will eventually run out, but maybe a few years later). You also have to remember where the electricity to run those electric cars actually comes from; power stations that also burn oil or gas. So you either burn it in a generator or burn it in a combustion engine. The real solution is to get everything from renewable, mostly solar, energy - and yes, an electric engine could run an 18-wheeler, given large enough batteries and a good motor. It's just currently expensive to produce electric engines that compete well with petroleum powered engines (which have had 100 years to get where they are now, electric by comparison has had less than a few decades of serious development) ^moral 21:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW, I need to rewatch the interview (my computer's in the shop, and this one doesn't have speakers), but now that I think about it it may have actually been hydrogen cars rather than electric (but his point was that he wanted Natural Gas to be used for 18-wheelers). http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-12-2008/t--boone-pickens --130.160.97.246 (talk) 15:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Power to gas

Not yet a huge thing in reality, but there are plans of using "excess" energy (e.g. on a windy day in Denmark) to electrolyze water and use the produced Hydrogen in a reaction with Carbon dioxide to produce Methane or a substance chemically indistinguishable from natural gas. This substance could than be used for heating or the production of electricity Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2015 (UTC)