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Reasonable criticism[edit]
Reasonable criticism of Islam can lead to murder as with Theo van Gogh, see The Murder of Theo Van Gogh There is a reference for this. The murder of Theo Van Gogh happened because he criticised the treatment of women in Islam and that is well known. People care about this type of thing and it should be in the article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- Spelling it out for the children. The Theo Van Gogh thing could have happened anywhere. To imply from that that the Netherlands is rampant with Islamic terrorists is absurd, even by your standards. Innocent Bystander (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- (EC) The problem is that it's about van Gogh and his killer, rather than about the Netherlands as a whole. The killer was from Morocco, should your point go in the Morocco article? Or is it a case of a single extremist who happened to live in the same part of the world as someone he disliked? Would Bouyeri have killed if he'd lived in America? Or Britain? He probably would have, or tried to. SophieWilder 15:29, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- To be fair, I think what she's getting at is that, since the article contains a vague reference to Geert Wilders, a reference to Theo van Gogh would be equally appropriate. I'm not sure either of them need to be here, but I've tried to edit both references into a reasonable sentence. Balaam (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- As the article was before it looked as if The Netherlands is losing its traditional tolerance and becoming unreasonably Islamophobic. I pointed out what happened to Theo Van Gogh to show that the Dutch have reason to be uncomfortable about the worst aspects of Islam. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- To be fair, I think what she's getting at is that, since the article contains a vague reference to Geert Wilders, a reference to Theo van Gogh would be equally appropriate. I'm not sure either of them need to be here, but I've tried to edit both references into a reasonable sentence. Balaam (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
- (EC) The problem is that it's about van Gogh and his killer, rather than about the Netherlands as a whole. The killer was from Morocco, should your point go in the Morocco article? Or is it a case of a single extremist who happened to live in the same part of the world as someone he disliked? Would Bouyeri have killed if he'd lived in America? Or Britain? He probably would have, or tried to. SophieWilder 15:29, 6 October 2012 (UTC)