Talk:Niccolò Machiavelli
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Was the Prince satire?
- likely, however a thorough study of his works (like 'Discourses on Livy') is necessary. I've not read far into them but at a first glance it seems to be that Machiavelli is as Machiavellian as Orwell is Orwellian. 62.178.89.78 (talk) 22:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- it is more complex, one important aspect is Empiricism. The sort of behavior "advocated" in The Prince does not stem from Machiavelli's pure imagination, much of it describe real world politics from his observations as a Diplomat. At the time, some saw it as a subtle critique of the divine right of kings. It can also be taken as a guide to political pragmatism in general, even if not aiming for the sort of policies spelled out. 213.208.145.170 (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Il Principe is indeed a satire (though not a parody, learn the difference), but of Cicero and Seneca the Younger. Machiavelli Scholar Quentin Skinner has a nice lecture on this topic. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:53, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- it is more complex, one important aspect is Empiricism. The sort of behavior "advocated" in The Prince does not stem from Machiavelli's pure imagination, much of it describe real world politics from his observations as a Diplomat. At the time, some saw it as a subtle critique of the divine right of kings. It can also be taken as a guide to political pragmatism in general, even if not aiming for the sort of policies spelled out. 213.208.145.170 (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
How can I get this article to gold?[edit]
How can I get this article to gold? Just for a personal sense of achievement (as I re-wrote the whole thing). Bronze is good, but gold is wayyy better Anim (Carfa) 14:32, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think Machiavelli (as a topic) can ever reach Gold on RW, due to missionality concerns. But don't worry — we'll keep working on it and make it into a brilliant Silver article one day. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Machiavellianism[edit]
It may seem like a good idea to add a section further describing and detailing the mentality named after him… TheEternalOutsider (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2024 (UTC) (More specifically, psychologically) TheEternalOutsider (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- A side note, like "Masochism" and "Sadism", "Machiavellianism" is a low key insult. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
The Prince[edit]
What would Machiavelli have made of modern political leaders (including the Orange one and Arnolfini 2?) Anna Livia (talk) 15:32, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Based on various chapters from the Discoures on Livy, I would suspect he'd see them as a major threat to liberty. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:01, 30 April 2025 (UTC)