User talk:TheEternalOutsider
Just to be clear
Just to be clear, I have been occasionally visiting this site for around five years as of writing. However, I'm a newcomer to active participation on this fine institution, and the limits for what I can possibly talk about and vent seem to be vague. Since I am relatively closer to the center than the average contributor to this site (MBFC has rated this site Left-Center for reasons.), I am unsure if the thresholds for certain things are, especially when I do have to vent out feelings that may be a bit risqué and extreme for the regular namespaces.
As my situation and my OCD affect me and cause serious intrusive thoughts, it means that I would remember a lot from the past as well from my surfing on the general Internet.
And while I am reluctant to edit pages directly, I am OK with talking on pages like this one or opening up debates.
With my autism and my OCD affecting me, many people in my life have given me the cold shoulder and treated me as just another person to cruelly discipline, and most of the torment I faced came from the bureaucratic bowels of the local education system as a whole, since rigid protocols and moving goalposts have been used against me to a severe degree. That's why I feel a bit nervous and reluctant as of writing, since I don't know how accepting and flexible the place really is on pages like the Saloon Bar or the Debate namespace.
While writing things online will be public and could be used against me, I constantly feel like my free speech is being stifled whenever people intentionally take my words out of context (akin to a DARVO), perceive what I said as a threat, and subsequently (and indirectly) threaten to inflict mental harm on me for even speaking out. I am sick of being intimidated and silenced by unsympathetic teachers who claim they are teaching social skills to me when in reality are defending the other students and snubbing me. I want a place where I can be accepted for what I could say, even if what I say is a little off and sounds like venting.
- Note: Unlike here, I was trapped in a location that was within the school buildings and was unable to disengage from the situation (and also rudely told to just suck it up). That's why I ended up parsing their claims as them gaslighting me. (They say that all public spaces are going to be like the school buildings, despite some evidence to the contrary (I usually stay silent when out in public areas, however.). Whether this place is public or not remains a bit blurry to me however, and I want to know if I am safe to speak out here.)
Thanks for listening to my initial thoughts on the matter. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 12:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yo, greetings! The stuff you might get serious consequences for (bans, blocks etc.) is mostly in the community standards. For almost anything else you'll get harsh criticism as most. General rule of thumb: if the opinion you have is described in the article space as stupid, evil, or otherwise negative, it might be a good idea to keep it to yourself. Especially regarding antidemocratic, antiscientific, too authoritarian or anti-minority statements. But I think it is generally considered nice on wikis to first talk to people before involving the banhammer, so you'll probs get a warning and the possibility to excuse yourself first before anything bad happens. I'd recommend to be bold and try! IluzasipalStone them! 19:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Addendum: The experience you describe in your school sounds really bad. I think you should consider this place more or less public (remember you are talking to real people!), although you are pseudonymous here, and the absolutely worst thing that may happen is you getting banned from RatWik, which would absolutely not be the end of the world. If I can help you in any way, just write on my talk page (:IluzasipalStone them! 19:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- In the Saloon you can basically talk about anything thats on your mind (society, events in your personal life(remember anonymity!), politics, culture, RatWiki...). Essay space is for anything that is too long for the Saloon, but does not fit into mainspace. If you find a topic fitting into mainspace that you want to write about, perhaps try it first in draftspace, so others might look at it. Use talk pages of articles if you have issues with the corresponding articles but are not sure/need a third opinion, and talk pages of users like their mailbox.IluzasipalStone them! 19:32, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- Addendum: The experience you describe in your school sounds really bad. I think you should consider this place more or less public (remember you are talking to real people!), although you are pseudonymous here, and the absolutely worst thing that may happen is you getting banned from RatWik, which would absolutely not be the end of the world. If I can help you in any way, just write on my talk page (:IluzasipalStone them! 19:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
However, I published something too verbose and irrelevant in the Saloon Bar (likely due to poor judgement). Is it OK to move it to the talk page? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 19:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- you can leave it there. you acted in good faith. it might come off as a lil bit weird, but its nothing even remotely bad and wont have any consequences. It is completely fine and topical in the saloon bar. If people wont interact with it, it will get archived in a little while. Little tip: even if you fucked up a little bit (which you didn't in this case), it is generally frowned upon to move or delete other peoples (because they don't want to be taken out of context) or your own comments (for transparency). If people really want your stuff to go away, they can contact an administrator themselves, who will then delete it. Posting lots of stuff in any chat is only considered bad if it was intended to interrupt or intentionally extremly off-topic, that means spam. for example if i'd copy the bee movie script to the bar it would get removed quickly. But none of this was the case for you. Hope this helps (:IluzasipalStone them! 20:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Stopped clock
I think you might have misunderstood what this means. If you say you have a stopped clock moment, you're not conveying that you're somebody who is usually doing well but "stopped" for a moment. It means that you are usually doing/saying bullshit, but had a moment where you didnt, by chance. It derives from the saying "A stopped clock is right twice a day". Sorry for being a smart-ass, have a nice day/night/eternal darkness/whatever! IluzasipalStone them! 17:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Oops. I was meaning "Reverse Stopped Clock". My mistake. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 09:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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Autopatrolled
Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, Autopatrolled has been added to your user rights. This lets you bypass most of the abuse filters, bypass the CAPTCHA, and edit more frequently. If you have questions, bleat ask away.
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Carthage (talk) 00:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
If you're trying to offend me, you've done it
Weird problem with me, but okay. You want to talk about it?DunSparce (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- I am gonna guess. You did not take a taxi across rural Kansas, I'm just gonna say that's... Improbable. If you did then you have no idea what you're talking about, but probably a lot more money than you know what to do with. Have you even considered how much money it would cost?DunSparce (talk) 03:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- I used a taxi as a short commute in northern Illinois, not across Kansas. Just clearing up this issue. I guess two different posters got lumped together. It's a misunderstanding. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- I posted I was in a taxi, then another user shared an anecdote about Kansas. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- I used a taxi as a short commute in northern Illinois, not across Kansas. Just clearing up this issue. I guess two different posters got lumped together. It's a misunderstanding. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Another thing Worth Considering
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This is a note to myself and possibly other folks out there. Due to my current situation, financial and location-wise, I am completely cut off from any therapist that could seek to deal with my internal fears of autocratic takeover from any cranks and nuts online (Doesn't matter left or right, I suspect there's folks, overt or covert, are power-hungry, abusive, and cunning all the same. Homo homini lupus est.). So I end up using the Bar as a place to vent my own issues and prevent my fears from becoming a reality. It's sometimes counterintuitive, and often I end up dealing with folks who don't know how to constructively disagree without sounding rude. It's not a case of facts and logic in a debate, it's a case of narcissistic verbal and emotional abuse from other uncivil users. And I immediately end up defensive against these kinds of folks, standing my ground. Only to take even more abuse… I don't know how I manage to hold myself together, but I do as of now. But it's not healthy for my mental well-being. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Possible DiggingUPDATE: I think it may be the fault of the Machiavellian filth that crawls about in the depths of Tumblr that sparked my initial concerns… They've weaseled their way into making uncritical thinking and pervasive mobbing on social media socially acceptable, and I think they hijacked the academic sphere to suit their own authoritarian whims, dismantling academic freedom in the name of "safety". I don't even use social media as the TOS on most of them are quite rubbish (meaning the companies willingly and regularly sell user data to advertisers), yet what could folks even do to protect themselves if those bottom-feeding crybullies strike? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 09:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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Education / Social Skills
Here goes nothing. My memories of my time at school continue to trickle back into my mind (is this PTSD?). This time it has to do with social interactions and the special education system that failed to protect me. Many special education teachers forced me to engage in social deduction questions alongside forced social interactions with other students, normal or not. Unfortunately, their treatment of social interactions, whether refusing to prevent me from getting bullied to handing out harsh punishments for minor transgressions(sometimes because they merely felt like it), using the "see other perspectives" as an excuse to traumatize me, even gaslighting me by saying "you're not getting punished like other students." to justify their emotional trauma. With the combination of rigid rules, zero-tolerance punishments, bullying from peers, ableism, and failure to properly handle my situation, my social skills are left completely ruined and I ended up with a constant siege mentality and intrusive thoughts that such trauma will happen again and again. It's hard to talk to anyone, even other users here some of which have had a poor track record with civility and respect towards my instability. Is there anything I can do to get my bearings back on this cruel planet that only seeks to oppress and subjugate the likes of me. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 10:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- You should consider seeing a therapist if you think this may be PTSD. May be worth it for the diagnosis. Carthage (talk) 10:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Therapists are expensive and bureaucracy is a quagmire. I'm trying to get one but it remains stalled due to a queue of endless paperwork, which I am forced to wait in line for my turn. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- (Update: It wasn't just about therapists. Some therapists are incompetent and inept, especially because they're one-trick ponies that work only for neurotypicals. And the billing process is convoluted as most insurance usually doesn't cover it.) TheEternalOutsider (talk) 05:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
If the Oppressed become the Oppressor
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A regular thought that I have again and again regarding sociopolitical trajectories. And it's about those concerns of power, accountability, and general trust. Some who gain power will certainly abuse it… TheEternalOutsider (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC) |
You don't need to reblock already permabanned users
Especially when they're driveby vandals, as those accounts should be immediately forgotten after they're banned and their mess is cleaned up. You reblocking had the effect of giving them back email rights, which probably doesn't matter since in all likelyhood they didn't register an email but is a reason why doing this can have bad effects. In general, if an account is permabanned the only reason to reblock it is if you need to e.g. disable talk page access. Plutocow (talk) 00:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- In case that was a grave mistake, what can I do to rectify it? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just don't do it again in the future. Plutocow (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Now on Wikipedia
I just created an account on Wikipedia with the same name. Any differences in conduct over there? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 06:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Revision deletion
It's for things like doxing, libel etc. that can give us legal issues. Using it on average driveby vandals is a waste of time and only serves to clog recent changes. Plutocow (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Is it a mistake or just a waste of time, and can I still do it if I wish to, when it comes to my own user page compared to the mainspace? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 10:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's explicitly against the rules, although it's not mentioned in a very obvious place. You can do whatever you want in your own userspace. Christopher (talk) 21:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Protection
Just as a heads up: you can indef protect your page to only allow sysops to edit it. Carthage (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Got it. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 10:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Bouncing the Bar
This is just something I want to get off my back. I often observe the Bar from the outside, and every now and then, I protect the page for a period of time to prevent trolls and other troublemakers from entering. Due to how stubborn some people can be on this wiki, it's not healthy for me to engage in the Bar. I learned that the hard way. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 03:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)