User talk:TheEternalOutsider

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Just to be clear[edit]

Just to be clear, I have been occasionally visiting this site for around five years as of writing. However, I'm a newcomer to active participation on this fine institution, and the limits for what I can possibly talk about and vent seem to be vague. Since I am relatively closer to the center than the average contributor to this site (MBFC has rated this site Left-Center for reasons.), I am unsure if the thresholds for certain things are, especially when I do have to vent out feelings that may be a bit risqué and extreme for the regular namespaces.

As my situation and my OCD affect me and cause serious intrusive thoughts, it means that I would remember a lot from the past as well from my surfing on the general Internet.

And while I am reluctant to edit pages directly, I am OK with talking on pages like this one or opening up debates.

With my autism and my OCD affecting me, many people in my life have given me the cold shoulder and treated me as just another person to cruelly discipline, and most of the torment I faced came from the bureaucratic bowels of the local education system as a whole, since rigid protocols and moving goalposts have been used against me to a severe degree. That's why I feel a bit nervous and reluctant as of writing, since I don't know how accepting and flexible the place really is on pages like the Saloon Bar or the Debate namespace.

While writing things online will be public and could be used against me, I constantly feel like my free speech is being stifled whenever people intentionally take my words out of context (akin to a DARVO), perceive what I said as a threat, and subsequently (and indirectly) threaten to inflict mental harm on me for even speaking out. I am sick of being intimidated and silenced by unsympathetic teachers who claim they are teaching social skills to me when in reality are defending the other students and snubbing me. I want a place where I can be accepted for what I could say, even if what I say is a little off and sounds like venting.

  • Note: Unlike here, I was trapped in a location that was within the school buildings and was unable to disengage from the situation (and also rudely told to just suck it up). That's why I ended up parsing their claims as them gaslighting me. (They say that all public spaces are going to be like the school buildings, despite some evidence to the contrary (I usually stay silent when out in public areas, however.). Whether this place is public or not remains a bit blurry to me however, and I want to know if I am safe to speak out here.)

Thanks for listening to my initial thoughts on the matter. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 12:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Yo, greetings! The stuff you might get serious consequences for (bans, blocks etc.) is mostly in the community standards. For almost anything else you'll get harsh criticism as most. General rule of thumb: if the opinion you have is described in the article space as stupid, evil, or otherwise negative, it might be a good idea to keep it to yourself. Especially regarding antidemocratic, antiscientific, too authoritarian or anti-minority statements. But I think it is generally considered nice on wikis to first talk to people before involving the banhammer, so you'll probs get a warning and the possibility to excuse yourself first before anything bad happens. I'd recommend to be bold and try! IluzasipalStone them! 19:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Addendum: The experience you describe in your school sounds really bad. I think you should consider this place more or less public (remember you are talking to real people!), although you are pseudonymous here, and the absolutely worst thing that may happen is you getting banned from RatWik, which would absolutely not be the end of the world. If I can help you in any way, just write on my talk page (:IluzasipalStone them! 19:20, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
In the Saloon you can basically talk about anything thats on your mind (society, events in your personal life(remember anonymity!), politics, culture, RatWiki...). Essay space is for anything that is too long for the Saloon, but does not fit into mainspace. If you find a topic fitting into mainspace that you want to write about, perhaps try it first in draftspace, so others might look at it. Use talk pages of articles if you have issues with the corresponding articles but are not sure/need a third opinion, and talk pages of users like their mailbox.IluzasipalStone them! 19:32, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

However, I published something too verbose and irrelevant in the Saloon Bar (likely due to poor judgement). Is it OK to move it to the talk page? TheEternalOutsider (talk) 19:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

you can leave it there. you acted in good faith. it might come off as a lil bit weird, but its nothing even remotely bad and wont have any consequences. It is completely fine and topical in the saloon bar. If people wont interact with it, it will get archived in a little while. Little tip: even if you fucked up a little bit (which you didn't in this case), it is generally frowned upon to move or delete other peoples (because they don't want to be taken out of context) or your own comments (for transparency). If people really want your stuff to go away, they can contact an administrator themselves, who will then delete it. Posting lots of stuff in any chat is only considered bad if it was intended to interrupt or intentionally extremly off-topic, that means spam. for example if i'd copy the bee movie script to the bar it would get removed quickly. But none of this was the case for you. Hope this helps (:IluzasipalStone them! 20:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Stopped clock[edit]

I think you might have misunderstood what this means. If you say you have a stopped clock moment, you're not conveying that you're somebody who is usually doing well but "stopped" for a moment. It means that you are usually doing/saying bullshit, but had a moment where you didnt, by chance. It derives from the saying "A stopped clock is right twice a day". Sorry for being a smart-ass, have a nice day/night/eternal darkness/whatever! IluzasipalStone them! 17:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Oops. I was meaning "Reverse Stopped Clock". My mistake. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 09:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


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Carthage (talk) 00:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

If you're trying to offend me, you've done it[edit]

Weird problem with me, but okay. You want to talk about it?DunSparce (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

I am gonna guess. You did not take a taxi across rural Kansas, I'm just gonna say that's... Improbable. If you did then you have no idea what you're talking about, but probably a lot more money than you know what to do with. Have you even considered how much money it would cost?DunSparce (talk) 03:24, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
I used a taxi as a short commute in northern Illinois, not across Kansas. Just clearing up this issue. I guess two different posters got lumped together. It's a misunderstanding. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
I posted I was in a taxi, then another user shared an anecdote about Kansas. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 07:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Another thing Worth Considering[edit]

This is a note to myself and possibly other folks out there. Due to my current situation, financial and location-wise, I am completely cut off from any therapist that could seek to deal with my internal fears of autocratic takeover from any cranks and nuts online (Doesn't matter left or right, I suspect there's folks, overt or covert, are power-hungry, abusive, and cunning all the same. Homo homini lupus est.). So I end up using the Bar as a place to vent my own issues and prevent my fears from becoming a reality. It's sometimes counterintuitive, and often I end up dealing with folks who don't know how to constructively disagree without sounding rude. It's not a case of facts and logic in a debate, it's a case of narcissistic verbal and emotional abuse from other uncivil users. And I immediately end up defensive against these kinds of folks, standing my ground. Only to take even more abuse… I don't know how I manage to hold myself together, but I do as of now. But it's not healthy for my mental well-being. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm also torn internally when talking about such a tense topic involving hostile actors as my mindset goes like this: "If I speak out, butthurt followers of the autocrats or autocrat wannabes will go as low as possible and abuse me, while nobody else stands up for myself.", and if I don't my mind goes "If I stay silent, they'll bulldoze civil society unimpeded and I'll end up facing either slavery or death.". It's all a fight that I have to continue through night and day. TheEternalOutsider (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Based on your topic, you’re afraid of … Pride activists coming after you? Am I understanding this correctly? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 12:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Mind answering this? Because you're literally stating that the transes are coming out in droves to kidnap you, which would be code red tinfoilery. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
I understand that you two are sincerely and politely making a question to him, but (sorry for mini-modding a bit here) I'd like to ask other to not engage with Eternal right now, since, as he said himself, he's currently in a fragile state. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 12:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Not "kidnap", but rather congregate online and attempt to cancel me via social media, akin to the targets of McCarthyism. And as for other things, it's not a one-way antipathy towards one side or the other. I've got severe antipathy towards Christian nationalists in the US as well, and they're hostile and armed, yet I can safely denounce them at the Bar whenever they start up their fundie nonsense. Even if two autocratic actors on opposite sides of the political spectrum hate each other's guts, they're still wannabe autocrats that cause grief for billions and should be called out. Just shows the asymmetry of this place… TheEternalOutsider (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
What exactly would you be cancelled for? Also equating trans activism with literal fascism, nice. One will send you to a camp, the other will..... request you respect their pronouns? OK. Carthage (talk) 15:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
The hypothetical opponent will demand worship and kowtowing from everyone else as well as demand to be recognized as superior to everyone else (not equal) or else they will cancel them. I knock on wood just in case the nightmare occurs. (UPDATE: Identity politics can be quite rough, and the concept of equity before the law is recommended. A nightmare that affects me at times is if a person uses their identity to weasel out of penalties for crimes (e.g. reckless driving).) TheEternalOutsider (talk) 16:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
I promise you I’m being sincere when I say that you should go out and make some IRL friends. It sounds like you’ve gone into some weird internet ideological rabbit holes, and the best cure for that is realizing that real people aren’t like that. Plus, sunlight and exercise are good for your mental health. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)