Talk:Oscar Wilde
Mission[edit]
As it stands this is a list of semi-relavent quotations. Tytalk 21:03, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't Oscar Wilde nothing but quotations? ADK...I'll kill your Suzuki! 21:34, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Bump[edit]
Delete. Important in LGBT rights history, and for which he desrves a mention in a relevant article here, but that's all his RWness amounts to. Sophiebecause liberals 13:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Agree. ТySerious Business Guy 14:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yup. P-Foster Talk ""Santorum is the cream rising to the top."" 14:16, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Disagree. His open sexuality landed him in prison. Would you wipe Martin Luther King because he was just a bit player in enabling civil rights?--Brendiggg (talk) 14:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- So put it in a relevant example, or have articles about every victim of anti-LGBT legislation. Sophiebecause liberals 14:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- No. Wilde is notable for being the first prominent individual to be openly gay in the western world for over 2000 years. Don't you get it?--Brendiggg (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Wilde wasn't openly gay - he was outed by his libel case against Queensberry. Byron, decades before, was openly bi. Sophiebecause liberals 14:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I was a little hyperbolic there, I admit. He is still notable nonetheless for being among the first to be persecuted for his sexuality in the modern era.--Brendiggg (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- wp:Simeon Solomon, wp:Lord Arthur Somerset (1851–1926) and wp:Jean Baptista von Schweitzer were earlier. Wilde's fame as a victim of anti-homosexual laws depends in part on a successful rehabilitation campaign, the same sort of thing that is now being done for Alan Turing. This high profile has led to a slightly distorted sense of the history of the case. His prosecution didn't create an outcry against a bad law - rather it let to public revulsion, and the sudden end of his career, in a similar manner to the fall of Gary Glitter a few years ago. We love us some Wilde today, but they didn't then. Sophiebecause liberals 15:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- But who the hell are those guys? Did you know them before you looked them up?--Brendiggg (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- My apologies, I should have just spouted whatever was in my head instead of looking stuff up. Sophiebecause liberals 15:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well they hardly count as notable. Oh and by comparing Wilde's situation to Gary Glitter's situation (or even mentioning him), you just killed a hundred adorable fairies in your own garden.--Brendiggg (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- We don't do notability, we do missionality. Also , Wilde and Glitter are comparable because they were both done for acts that were both illegal and socially unacceptable. That Wilde's crime is rightly no longer a crime (and Glitter's rightly still is) makes the difference between them. Also, the hundred adorable fairies will make a good compost. Also also, this talk page is better than the article. Sophiebecause liberals 16:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well they hardly count as notable. Oh and by comparing Wilde's situation to Gary Glitter's situation (or even mentioning him), you just killed a hundred adorable fairies in your own garden.--Brendiggg (talk) 15:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- My apologies, I should have just spouted whatever was in my head instead of looking stuff up. Sophiebecause liberals 15:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- But who the hell are those guys? Did you know them before you looked them up?--Brendiggg (talk) 15:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- wp:Simeon Solomon, wp:Lord Arthur Somerset (1851–1926) and wp:Jean Baptista von Schweitzer were earlier. Wilde's fame as a victim of anti-homosexual laws depends in part on a successful rehabilitation campaign, the same sort of thing that is now being done for Alan Turing. This high profile has led to a slightly distorted sense of the history of the case. His prosecution didn't create an outcry against a bad law - rather it let to public revulsion, and the sudden end of his career, in a similar manner to the fall of Gary Glitter a few years ago. We love us some Wilde today, but they didn't then. Sophiebecause liberals 15:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I was a little hyperbolic there, I admit. He is still notable nonetheless for being among the first to be persecuted for his sexuality in the modern era.--Brendiggg (talk) 15:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Wilde wasn't openly gay - he was outed by his libel case against Queensberry. Byron, decades before, was openly bi. Sophiebecause liberals 14:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- No. Wilde is notable for being the first prominent individual to be openly gay in the western world for over 2000 years. Don't you get it?--Brendiggg (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- So put it in a relevant example, or have articles about every victim of anti-LGBT legislation. Sophiebecause liberals 14:32, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Disagree. His open sexuality landed him in prison. Would you wipe Martin Luther King because he was just a bit player in enabling civil rights?--Brendiggg (talk) 14:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yup. P-Foster Talk ""Santorum is the cream rising to the top."" 14:16, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
"despite the contradiction between Irish Catholicism and homosexuality."[edit]
I mean yeah, but this follows "has become celebrated as a nationalist hero," which needs a bit more clarification that nationalism at this time was very much all Catholic. The first decent attempt at a free Ireland in the end of the 18th century was inspired by and led for the most part by disenfranchised protestants, mainly Presbyterians.[citation needed]
The more important fact is that John Douglas was defended by Edward Carson (who was essential to proving Oscar bocht was a homosexual and thus over turning the libel case) who was a Unionist who'd have some notoriety among nationalists as founder of the Ulster Volunteers (a paramilitary group) and generally being against home rule and independence. This is imo why Oscar would be exonerated in the nationalist eye as being in anyway an adversary of a Unionist far outweighs him being gay. Féinléiriú (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2019 (UTC)