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Oh man

Oh man, memories...many drunken conversations about p-zombies...that was back in my youth before my hardcore logical positivism kicked in. tmtoulouse ^harass 17:03, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Despite the site founder loving this, what is this crap? ħuman 05:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

There was a rather brilliant qwantz.com comic awhile back that mocked the arrogance of this philosophy and said it was much more likely that you were someone else's mental simulation than the universe revolved around you. Wish I could find it again. --Dr. Swordopolis (talk) 06:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Detecting differences

There appears to be a confusion between detectable differences and actual differences. If consciousness has a material basis there are certainly material differences between conscious and unconscious beings regardless of whether or not scientists can detect these differences.

Would anyone care to proffer a difference between "detectable" and "actual" differences here? If something has an actual effect then we can detect that effect. If the effect cannot be detected, i.e., experienced, directly or indirectly, it is not consequential, meaningful nor is it "actual". The ultimate gold standard test for an effect is the effect itself; so therefore "no detection" = "no effect" = "not existing". Or "no detectable difference between people and p-zombies" means that there is no difference between people and p-zombies. It's not that the difference is on a higher plane of existence, or outside of reality, or only visible to God, the difference is simply Not There. ^pathetic 01:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I see the text has remained the same for 9 years. I edited it to try to clarify that point, which I think is simply current technology and practice vs. the ideal theoretical means of measurement, along with trimming some repetition in surrounding text. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

No big deal

I work with a bunch of them. --Q4 (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Zombie politicians

Quite a few politicians #appear# to be p-zombies, or possibly robots: totally expressionless faces and backstories that have limited contact with reality. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)