Talk:Predestination

Sin

If God already decided that you're saved, then you can sin as much as you want and still be saved. If God already decided that you're not saved, you can live totally sin-free and still not be saved. Whether you're saved or not does not depend on how much you sin. I don't see how a believer in predestination can solve this problem. ^{— Unsigned, by: Kittycat / talk / contribs}

Frankly, most predestination believers solve the problem by not thinking about it. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 03:54, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

The argument, as I understand it, is that people are so inherently sinful that nobody would willingly choose to follow God’s teachings if He didn’t intervene. The predestined, being graced by God, are the only ones who will follow God, and traditionally they can demonstrate their predestination through things like good works. In other words, everybody not predestined will choose to live sinfully and the predestined will choose to live sin-free. Since there’s no test to figure out who is actually bound for heaven, the best you can do in life is to try to live as sin-free as possible, thereby demonstrating that you are among the predestined.--47.225.76.165 (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

The solution

We are predestined to have free will. Anna Livia (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

This. ^ 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:2876:3C83:70A9:92EA (talk) 23:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Clarify? Anna Livia (talk) 23:59, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Jesus Christ and predestination

Are mutually contradictory - say 'the magic words' and you are automatically saved - oh noes, you have been predestined to the other place.

What escape hatch is used to get round this? Anna Livia (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

You were always gonna say the magic words. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 15:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Why invoke a vulture?

So how would the paradox be resolved? Anna Livia (talk) 16:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Again, all you have to do is make one fated to do the right thing, whatever it may be. And those babies deserve hell and always deserved hell. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 16:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the first sentence needs reworking slightly.

Passing mention of this chap is appropriate.

As there is an inherent contradiction between Jesus Christ's promise and predestination one or both arguments are fatally flawed. Anna Livia (talk) 16:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC)