Talk:Realist left and alt-right
There are plenty of people who identify as alt-right. Is there any identifiable person who identifies as alt-left or realist left? Are the few sites associated with the "alt-left" all anonymous? Bongolian (talk) 22:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC) Bongolian (talk) 18:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
The Alt Left is actually a real thing. There are a number of Alt Left web pages and Youtube channels. A while back there were 18,000 members of Alt Left groups on Facebook. Now there are ~6,000, so it's dropped by quite a bit. The movement was originally described as "tiny" and that is still probably a good description. Further, it's not very coherent. The Alt Left groups were all over the place ideologically, and there were many out and out rightwingers in the movement, in particular Libertarians.
By the way, this article is false. I know the people who started the Realist Left. They cannot be described as racist in any way, shape, or form. Just because someone is against SJW's of PC culture doesn't mean they are conservatives or racists. They are somewhat socially conservative. I suppose you could call them socially conservative liberals. And the Realist Left people are absolutely not Nazis. For the most part they seem to be focused on opposition to SJW culture, but there is also a very strong emphasis on economics. Realist Left economics could be broadly described as social democracy or Keynesianism with regulated capitalism and a safety net. They are hostile to Marxism and Communism and regard that economic project as failed.
It is true that Lindsay's original Alternative Left had race realism as one of its three cornerstones and the Altleft.com is run a quiet and discreet leftwing White nationalist, the people who came into the Alt Left movement later almost all rejected both race realism and White nationalism. Lindsay himself lists John Brown, Malcolm X, MLK and the Black Panthers among his heroes, so someone needs to explain to me how he's a racist.
The people behind the Altleft.com site call themselves "the left of the Alt Right" and some are now calling that group the Alt Center. There are a number of people in that movement. The best place to find them is Robert Stark's radio show, which is Alt Center Central. The Alt Center is definitely White Identitarian. They almost all support Trump, even though most of them are actually liberal in many respects.
Most importantly, these are not Alt Right racist types trying to create a project to lure leftwingers into the Alt Right. Instead, all of these people are real liberals or Leftists and self-identify as such. They're really, really weird Lefties, but they are on the Left.
So by this guy's own admission, the "realist" in Realist Left stands for Race Realism. QED.
- No, the Alt Left originally had race realism as one of its cornerstones but the Alt Left leadership dropped it because the Alt Left base rejected any form of race realism. Also the Realist Left was vociferously against the race realism part of Lindsay's proposal and wanted nothing to do with it from the very start. So the Realist Left is and has been from the start dead set against any race realism, and honestly they never even talk about race at all that I am aware of. Sure they don't like PC culture, SJWism and the Cultural Left, but I've never seen them write one word about race. 2602:306:CCC3:EB90:88E3:FB13:1ED2:CC2E (talk) 07:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)