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Ideologically motivated blocking[edit]

I have been faced with multiple unannounced and unexplained blocks based on vague accusations of whitewashing, (providing more detail on the relationship between Catholicism and the Right during the first half of the twentieth century by using recognized historical sources), it seems as though I am being censored for providing info that doesn`t agree with the ideology of many of the editors, but I have consistently remained neutral, provided sources and stayed polite. I had hoped rationalwiki would encourage constructive dialogue not censorship of those who mention that Pope Pius XII supported Claus von Stauffenberg. Is it whitewashing to reject the claim that Pius XII was a Fascist? Or to note the distinction between Integralism and Fascism? Does one need to support the myth pushed by the KGB that Conservative Catholicism=Fascism in order to not be banned for whitewashing? I had read that rationalwiki does not have ideological bans and I also read I could alert sysops so I thought I would do so. JohnLogan (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@JohnLogan Instead of bothering an individual moderator, I suggest you take your issues to the moderator noticeboard. Thanks, Cosmikdebris (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Content Reversal[edit]

Why was my quote at the Anarchism page reversed? The quote by Alan Moore is much more famous than the one from Thomas Hoobe, and is much more direct to the point than his, who is filled with bias since Hoobes is a well-know absolutist with a very outdated view on anarchism, that not only misses the entire point on anarchism but also sees it as a state of "pure chaos", which anarchism isn't. --TheOne (talk) 23:31, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@TheOne, I've heard of the Hobbes quote, but not the Moore quote. Also, the Hobbes quote had a citation, but the Moore quote did not. You can add the Moore quote with a citation, or if you want the the Hobbes quote removed, you can argue for its removal on the talk page. Bongolian (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


I wrote this and it's now finished as a draft: Draft:A New Radical Centrism could you move this to A New Radical Centrism? Job (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

@Job Done. Bongolian (talk) 20:48, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Bug in the Banned template[edit]

There was an errant <div> in the {{Banned}} template that was causing the categories at the bottom of the page to be displayed in large typeface. I got rid of the offending tag in the template, and it seems to be fine now. Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it! Bongolian (talk) 04:08, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


Thank you for your edits on Conflict of interest! It's definitely an improvement. Luna Rose I'm shy; say hi 15:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, @QuietLuna. I appreciate your edits on RW! Bongolian (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

My apologies[edit]

I uh am sorry for my rudeness earlier, I was irritable and that was uncalled for, but Bernie being a Russian asset.... come on, seriously? Oxyaena Harass 23:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

There's really no need to apologize for anything, @Oxyaena. I respect that you have different opinions than I do, I really do. With regard to Bernie, there's really no doubt that he at least falls into the unwitting asset category. Both the Mueller Report and the current State Department have confirmed this, so you'd have to be in denial about both of them to think otherwise. If nothing else, the support likely comes from bots, trolls, and disinformation originating from Russia. Unwitting assets are a normal part of tradecraft (see Agent handling § Agents, spotting, and recruitmentWikipedia's W.svg), and there's a recently-revealed case of a large-scale CIA espionage operation, which employed people who did not know that they were employed by a CIA front company, and consequently put some of the employees' lives in danger without their knowledge.[1] Bongolian (talk) 23:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I mean, you have to look at the pros and cons here. Bernie's pros far outweigh his cons imo, the one thing I really take him to task for is the fact he's a zionist. Oxyaena Harass 12:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
For me, there is no pro that is going to outweigh Bernie's being a Russian asset. Bernie's so-called pros are paper-thin in the form of policies, not actions anyway. Bongolian (talk) 19:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


At least, as privately as you can manage on a wiki. Fuck you. That saloon bar shit is seriously dishonest.

The context of your deep up your rectum googling makes it crystal goddamn clear that term was not being used synonymously with being gay, nor as a slur.

The fact that you're going to such lengths to smear someone dishonestly like this just fills me with contempt.

Where's your integrity? Why would you waste so much time and effort on something where you're so totally in the wrong? It's a shitty thing to do. A real goddamn shitty thing to do. I know we're arguing on the internet and all, but at some level, I'm deeply disappointed how far you'll go. It's awful. And it reflects badly on your character. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I didn't call Oxy a homophobe. I said that "it's homophobic", meaning the term 'buttchug'. I'm fully aware that making a single bigoted remark does not make one a bigot. I said that Oxy used an ad hominem on Buttigieg: that much is true. I've seen these types of 'butt' references to Buttigieg on Nazi Twitter, so it's something that they are exploiting, very likely as homophobia. I actually came across that University of Tennessee story back in May when I was writing the fraternity page (I did not use it on the page though), so it wasn't something new to me. Perhaps we can both accept that 'buttchug' can sometimes be homophobic depending on intentions?
You called me dumb in your initial response, and this was not the first time you've done this. I can accept when I'm wrong, but saying things like that doesn't help discourse. Bongolian (talk) 20:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
It was pretty goddamn dumb to post. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
Imo, making fun of a person for having "butt" in the name is a 6 year old playground tease. I wouldn't go far to say it's anything inherently homophobic. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
That's true. I'd never do it myself, except inasmuch as I say things like "butt" and "klobb" out of laziness. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
If I had to make fun of Buttigieg, I'd call him "the butt man", but again, not out of malice, just to amuse myself. Kinda like changing words in movie/book/video game titles to "ass" and see which results make me laugh (and they usually do because I'm like 9 years old sometimes). --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Libertarian paradise[edit]

Guess you didn't like that edit? (Help, help, I'm being oppressed by statists! Come quickly! Come see the violence inherent in the system!) - (talk) 23:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Snark is like table salt. A little bit adds flavor and depth but too much ruins everything. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 00:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Civility Policy[edit]

I admit, I am kind of coming around to the idea of a more formalized civility policy. What would you have in mind? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Considering the amount of abuse I get thrown my way I`m cautiously in favor of it, but formulate it in such a way that does not allow for tone trolling, sealioning, or general bad faith argumentation. Oxyaena Harass 18:31, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I actually don't have anything very specific in mind. Before the original fracas, I was originally thinking of a mainspace page on civility, but then I started wondering missional-or-not and shelved the idea. We could start such a page, which might be less controversial than an immediate policy change, and then try to push policy towards agreement with such a page. Bongolian (talk) 18:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I attempted one, then that got shot down, iirc. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario I think you brought up the idea of a direct policy change within the Saloon. What do you think of my idea of mainspace page first, then trying to push for (modest) policy changes? Bongolian (talk) 19:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, JDSalamander here[edit]

I did not mean to appear as a troll, just adding some humour to articles. I was also the one who updated the Alex Jones page. I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I appreciate the message you're sending, and I hate misinformation and conspiracy theories as much as y'all do.

@JDSalamander That's fine. It just seemed like snark in the wrong places to me. Keep at it and you might get into the swing of things around here. Bongolian (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

2020 election and voter suppression[edit]

What do you mean by "Can you come up with a better citation if you're going to make that voter suppression claim?". There's at least three sources in WIGO elections and more can be easily found in a five minutes search in Google. Or are you denying there was voter supression? I mean the democratic establishment made no ilusions about it's opposition to Bernie Sanders and what can you call the Dems allowing primaries to go on (and threatening to punish states that postponed primaries) during a pandemic other than voter suppression? It's just what it is. The fact that polling status were massively reduced and that people had to wait hours and hours to vote is nothing more than voter suppression, to try to claim otherwise is just delusion.Tuxer (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not trying to deny anything. I just didn't think that was a very good citation ([2]). If you have a news article rather than a blog post, it would be an improvement. Bongolian (talk) 00:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry for coming off a bit agressive. I will add the sources later.Tuxer (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
No problem. Bongolian (talk) 02:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Article on Hofstedter book[edit]

I have written about 3,000 words on Draft:Anti-intellectualism in American Life. It is essentially an outline of the author's introductory chapters. I am not sure how to properly format this kind of article. The general nature of anti-intellectualism, at least the variety most familiar in America, might be instructive to some of our readers. Perhaps you could take a look at it on one of these lonely days ahead. Criticism would be appreciated.Ariel31459 (talk) 03:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

It's probably fine content-wise, so I'll move it into mainspace and begin editing. Bongolian (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 This is a good draft and is ready for mainspace. I'll be happy to review and refine. Cosmikdebris (talk) 04:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Good deal. Thanks to both of you.Ariel31459 (talk) 04:29, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
@Cosmikdebris I'm taking a break from editing for at least a couple hours if you want to continue. Bongolian (talk) 05:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)