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Attention trolls: Don't bother me here. I am busy impersonating Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on CreationWiki.

Many thanks...[edit]

...for your adding links to Unplanned. You're quite helpful with pages that aren't "yours". I've been trying similarly to contribute to the alt-right glosssary, and hope that this has been of use. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 13:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, @CogitoNotStirred. I try to read and edit every new mainspace page. It's a good exercise in keeping up with what's on RW and for broadening one's knowledge. Bongolian (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Can you supplement the document?[edit]

Joshua Wong. This man is risking his life for the freedom of Hong Kong citizens. If you know anything, I want you to contribute! --BluePink (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know a lot about him, but I made some edits to the page. Bongolian (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Can't you squeeze this video in?[edit]

It's my favourite part of the film but I see that it comes in the middle of one of your sections. Spud (talk) 05:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Added by popular demand. Bongolian (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. That's great. Spud (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Parody article likely written by Emil Kirkegaard[edit]

Cambridge University Press was created by a suspicious account and contains many false statements, e.g.

"The Handbook of Intelligence (2000) edited by Robert J. Sternberg — Beats around the bush about race and IQ, but openly advocates the discredited link between human brain size and intelligence, complete with a citation to white nationalist J. Philippe Rushton."

"Human Intelligence (2011) by Earl Hunt — Advocacy of hereditarianism, racialism, and brain size / IQ correlation; cites The Bell Curve for some of its data."

These statements are false and incredibly misleading, for example Hunt's book doesn't advocate hereditarianism or racialism and he criticises the former. Additionally, Cambridge University Press is described as a "garbage publisher" which is obviously nonsense, while Journal of Biosocial Science is described as a pseudojournal when it obviously isn't - it's a mainstream peer-reviewed journal.

The current article is now being spammed across twitter by Kirkegaard and his friends from OpenPsych as a method to discredit RationalWiki. WatchMaker (talk) 17:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

@WatchMaker, What's your evidence that it's being spammed around? Rindermann's book was mostly favorably reviewed by Kirkegaard, for example.[1] Bongolian (talk) 19:52, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
WatchMaker (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
None of those people are Kirkgaard. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
What I really find amusing is that even after a year of being absent, I still see random accounts being registered for the sole purpose of making edits about Kirkegaard. Like seriously, the guy isn't very well known or notable.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 21:18, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's pretty sad, really. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
The wording on "garbage publisher" should probably be changed to "publisher of garbage", but otherwise I haven't seen a problem with the page yet. Bongolian (talk) 18:13, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Do you like Park Geun-hye?[edit]

Do you want the former President Park Geun-hye to be released?Do you support Park Geun-hye?Or is it FUCK?

박근혜 전 대통령이 석방되길 원하세요?박근혜를 지지해?아니면 씨발? — Unsigned, by: Karasawa Takahiro / talk / contribs

Draft:Park Geun-hye is a stub with no citations. You need to do more work on the pages that you create. That's why I keep moving them to draft space. Bongolian (talk) 17:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 moderator nomination[edit]

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. -- Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Ace using gendered epithets (above) against Oxyeana[edit]

Completely out of error, not purposely. Acei9 12:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

What I mean to say is I don't use epithets against Oxy. Sometimes I am editing on the fly on my phone and I accidentally type he instead of she. I just wanted to clear that up. Acei9 00:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Why does this keep coming up? You already said it was an ordinary error. At least you could shut up about it.Ariel31459 (talk) 01:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
I didn't bring it up - it was mentioned specifically on the campaigning page only a day or two ago so I want to make sure people don't think I am doing it to purposely offend someone else. But fine, I've said my bit. I'll go back to what I was doing (drinking at my desk pretending to work) Acei9 01:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Your help is required[edit]

To avoid getting into a fight with Oxy again I’m asking a third party to step in. Oxy keeps reverting these edits but there is nothing to state BoNs can’t endorse people. I think she’s doing it because the BoN didn’t endorse her. Either way - there is nothing in our guidelines that say the edits should be reverted. Again - I’m trying to do the adult thing here to avoid escalating another pointless fight with Oxy. Acei9 16:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I know we don’t let BoNs vote which is god but Oxy is making up rules for the Mod Elections on the fly - any rules regarding who can endorse for mod shouldn’t be decided by one person on a whim. Acei9 16:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
BoN endorsements are ridiculous on their face. I am perhaps not the best person to try to intervene on this since I was anti-endorsed by the same BoN. Perhaps @RWRW or @LeftyGreenMario, who were both endorsed by the BoN, would care say something about this? Bongolian (talk) 17:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Ridiculous or not there’s nothing to say they can’t make them. Acei9 18:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there archives from previous endorsements for mod anywhere? Acei9 18:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
A BoN endorsement is fairly pointless since they can’t vote. Then again, I’ve seen BoN’s participate in previous RW elections and nobody has said anything so I don’t know. --RWRW (talk) 18:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Looking into it, BoN made several contributions to last years election and a couple of BoN’s endorsed/anti-endorsed in the most recent RMF election--RWRW (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
In that case I’m reverting them back - it violates none of our standards plus there is precedent. Acei9 18:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
And in case anyone queries it - it isn't because it is Oxy, it is because no one person decides which comments stay and which don't on the fly. Acei9 18:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I concur. Being anti-endorsed by a BoN is a badge of honor of sorts. If anyone wants to prevent this behavior in future elections, they should put it up for a vote. Bongolian (talk) 19:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah good. I'm glad this got settled with another shit-fight. Acei9 19:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


From memory, you were inquiring about the context of this term re the alt-right glossary. Some info here. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

It was also a kind of a dance:
Oh dear...Ariel31459 (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, also a breakdance film, Electric Boogaloo,Wikipedia's W.svg but the alt-right derivation is certainly derived from the shooter video game.[2] Bongolian (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


I`m tired of Ace's shit, can you do something please? Oxyaena Harass 01:56, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

While, I do not agree with all of Ace's views on blocking, I actually agreed with Ace on the unblocking of Bon That single edit made by that person was trivial and not deserving of any block. If you think your disputes with Ace are Coop-worthy, you certainly do have that option. If you're specifically wanting moderator help for this, it might be better to try to wait till after the elections, whose results should hopefully be announced shortly. Bongolian (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't know why Oxy freaks out as soon as I do anything he disagrees with. I'm following the community standards and every time I do I get jumped on. If Oxy has an issue with me he can address me either at the coop, on my talkpage or bring it to the attention of the mods. All I am doing is following the comm standards. Oxy blocks with invalid reason. He blocked for "page blanking" on what was a single edit then locked the page - after one edit. Oxy - would you please stop following me around and use the coop. AceMcWicked 02:07, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree with Ace that the block was excessive for Jaydogg1994. You could have given Jaydogg1994 a short-term block for edit warring, but page blanking: I don't think so. Jaydogg1994 is an autoconfirmed/non-sysop vs. a BoN, so who cares. I don't see how universal healthcare is inherently 'correct', which is what this issue rests upon. Bongolian (talk) 02:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Also, Ace try to make an effort to use a person's preferred pronouns. It's just a matter of basic civility. Anyone can be guilty of using the wrong pronoun by mistake occasionally, but it's quite clear that you're doing this on purpose from your use of gendered insults during the moderator elections. Bongolian (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
I’m not doing it on purpose. You’ll see elsewhere I use the correct pronoun. I’m not deliberately trying to offend anyone. AceMcWicked 05:24, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Also I never used a “gendered insult”. That’s bullshit. I get it wrong but never do it on purpose. I’m sorry that I do it, I don’t like to get it wrong. So fuck off with that. AceMcWicked 05:36, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
All I am doing is unblocking people that shouldn't have been blocked. I am not on Oxy's case because it's Oxy - she just happens to make the most invalid blocks. But I am happy to be brought before the mob if she wants to Coop me. AceMcWicked 02:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── People who are against universal healthcare are heartless. Oxyaena Harass 10:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Nice straw man. 2607:FB90:9034:8375:0:E:A1D2:D901 (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Sending people into bankruptcy because of extortionate prices over life-saving treatments or outright dying because of that lack of access to healthcare, yeah, that meets the textbook definition of heartlessness, you fool. Oxyaena Harass 14:24, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
very relevant im sure EK (talk) 15:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Let's play devil's advocate here. You think Trump is a fascist, racist, and all around jerk, right? You want Donald Trump to have a monopoly on healthcare, and the ability to use that monopoly to deny healthcare to black people and Hispanics? Would you want fundamentalist Christians who would be inclined to eliminate funding for hormone treatments and surgical procedures for transgenders to have a monopoly on our healthcare? Eat your own words, fool. Again, nice straw man with literally no relevance to this conversation. (And seriously, don't you have anything other than name calling to contribute to this wiki?) (talk) 16:51, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
TrollAriel31459 (talk) 17:05, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
We have an article on Universal Healthcare which hasn't been edited or talked about since last December. If you want to do some actual work that would be a good place to start. @ Bongolian, what is with this pronoun complaint? I haven't noticed any intentional gender-related hostility from anyone. Ariel31459 (talk) 17:07, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Why not try stop projecting, Morris. I rebutted your statement it was a "strawman," what you have said is completely irrelevant to this conversation, and you are the one name calling, not I. What happened to loving one's neighbor as one's self, Morris, it's not very Christian of you to "eliminate funding for hormone treatments and surgical treatment for transgenders (sic)." Oxyaena Harass 17:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
This Morris?
Ariel31459 (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay, you got me. That's funny, I'll stop feeding the troll. Oxyaena Harass 20:24, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

I need help[edit]

How do you move a draft into the mainspace?Jeh2ow Damn son! 23:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Jeh2ow I've moved the page to mainspace for you. One needs to be a Sysop to do that, but don't fret, you'll probably get Sysop status very shortly. Bongolian (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
ThanksJeh2ow Damn son! 23:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

OK it works[edit]

Thanks.--ParkerPeter (talk) 08:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

My draft was deleted again[edit]

@Ace McWicked @Bongolian Sorry to bother you again, but I logged in to continued my draft an I saw that Oxyena deleted it again:

 13:20, 7 December 2019 Oxyaena (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:Not real communism (Hopelessly tiny stub)

I understand my draft is short, but how am I supposed to make it longer if it keeps getting deleted? I don't have much time at hand, and I'd like to work on it in my spare time. It might takes weeks until it is finished. Isn't that the purpose of drafts?

By the way, I cannot post neither in Ace McWicked's page nor in I don't know why.

--ParkerPeter (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I've already pointed out why your "draft" is shit. Do I need to go over them again? Oxyaena Harass 16:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
A moderator explicitly told you to not delete a draft because you disagree with it --ParkerPeter (talk) 07:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@ParkerPeter, CheeseburgerFace moved your page here: User:ParkerPeter/Not real communism. You can work on it there until it's in better shape. Bongolian (talk) 08:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


G'day Bongolian, I can see you are the only moderator active at the minute and since I can't post to the Moderator Noticeboard talk page I was wondering if you could go ahead and urban me (Tdog1). I'm happy to confirm that when I drifted away from the wiki around 16/17 I was in good standing and nothing has changed since. In fact I've served in a few official capacities around here. Tdog1 (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Urban and unban, the dangers of mobile editing. (talk) 09:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
You'll no doubt be overjoyed to hear of my triumphant return. No action required. Tdog1 (talk) 09:42, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Banned again. This is farcical. I guess I'll try one more time, and again since I can't comment on any of the supposed official channels and you seem active as a moderator can you unban me and give whoever it is repeatedly banning me a gentle reminder of expectations around use of their mop? (talk) 23:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

lmao EK (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Yawn. Find something better to do with your life, Man or whoever you are. Bongolian (talk) 00:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Grawp accounts[edit]

Are all of those Grawp accounts from Morris? Because I found Grawp4 & Grawp5 after changing the number of Grawp3.

Sidenote: Is "Grawp" even a word? I have a suspicion of what it could mean (more or less a dialect for another word...)... Tinribmancer (talk) 09:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Harry Potter reference.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 09:36, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
It doesn't matter because the main Grawp was permabanned for its own reasons. Bongolian (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
the real grawp is passed so ye it's all Morris. EK (talk) 23:49, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Sysops criteria[edit]

I am wondering if you have any definite criteria for awarding sysop privileges to new users. One person that you recently gave sysop rights had been on the wiki two days and created one stub of an article that I'm sure took at least ten minutes of their time. Is this then sufficient? Ariel31459 (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ariel31459, I was probably too hasty in that case. There are really no strict criteria for this, but in the case of recently Sysopped people who seem undeserving or who misbehave, it is allowed for a longer-established Sysop to remove the Sysop rights for the newbie without going through the coop. -Bongolian (talk) 18:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to apologize for messing up Bongolian's edits to the Adolph Hitler article. I swear, all I did was add spaces between some elided words - at least, that's how it looked on my screen. I didn't mean to make any kind of large-scale change. I wonder what really happened under the hood. Dave Wise 2 (talk) 22:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Dave Wise 2, just make some reasonable, non-trivial edits for a few days and you'll probably get your Sysop privileges back. Bongolian (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian, will do. Dave Wise 2 (talk) 23:35, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


Can anyone (BoN's & passerby's) check our mod noticeboard? Tinribmancer (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tinribmancer Yes, most of RW is open for inspection. One exception is the autoblock criteria. Bongolian (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Public School Girl[edit]

Is sysoprevoke based on family relationship a thing now? EK (talk) 08:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

No, but the history of their working in tandem and her doing his bidding. Bongolian (talk) 08:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@EK makes you a little nervous don't it? NotMuchTime (talk) 11:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
ye kinda does ngl, certainly its not a precedent i like. EK (talk) 12:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Troll Oxyaena Harass 14:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I undid it. Bongolian (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@EK@Oxyaena Also, consider that she LANCBed (then returned of course) so it's really no big deal. Bongolian (talk) 18:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I really don't see a problem with Sysoprevoking her. Oxyaena Harass 18:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
im not suggesting ever making this person a sysop - i just don't see how they have done anything that would deserve sysoprevoke - something that is generally only applied after a coop case involving sysop tool abuse. EK (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Debating Sysoprevoke is a bit pointless at the moment given that PBS is permanently blocked. I get the "agent of Morris" and possibly "shit-stirring" accusations, but I don't see where the "voter fraud" accusation comes from. Also the "no edits actually adding anything useful" accusation seems oddly familiar...... Maybe @Summa Atheologica has some thoughts. --RWRW (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@RWRWThe voter fraud accusation comes from this edit she made where she attempted to re-add her vote which was previously stricken by Bongo in defiance of policy. Also note that she can basically be considered a sockpuppet of a banned user (Morris) and constantly attempts to interfere on his behalf.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 21:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Fairs, I thought it was a reference to the recent Mod election. --RWRW (talk) 14:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────PSG absolutely deserves Sysoprevoke, but I'm not going to pursue it because it's not worth the drama. People who have lost Sysop, who have made minimal useful contributions, and who are drama queens do not deserve the benefit of the doubt or a coop case to stir up more drama. I'm not going to pursue this because it's not worth the effort. Coop cases should be reserved for people who have made actual useful contributions. Bongolian (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I thought sysoprevoke was reserved to abuse of sysop tools exclusively? AceModerator 04:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked, where does it say that? It's not here: RationalWiki:Sysoprevoke. Bongolian (talk) 04:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I don’t know - it was just what I thought which is why I asked. AceModerator 05:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Public School Girl is a pretty blatant troll, even by just the name. Most of their "edits" are just vandalism reversions.
On a more pressing issue, it seems like Morris signed up for the wiki, with a username that appears to be a threat, NotMuchTime.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 05:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
it is a threat, against me as u can see by his edit. The premise is that if sysoprevoke can be handed out unilaterally for affiliations to banned users then anyone with significant contact or relationships with banned users is at risk of being themselves affected. EK (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────As I have said before, PSG's punishments were not for her affiliation, but for her behavior. We did make her Sysop and welcomed her to continue (productive) editing even after the initial demopping. Bongolian (talk) 17:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

ok thanks. EK (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Reverted edits[edit]

Hi. Could I ask you why you have reverted these edits (e.g. which policy I've violated)? Perhaps you could provide a description in your revert edit to assist in understanding your motivations? Quitting Religion (talk) 08:16, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I was too hasty, and I've undone my reversion, @Quitting Religion. I don't get the "And they're off!" comment though. Bongolian (talk) 08:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
No worries. The "And they're off!" comment is in relation to the "fact" that the verse is the first time in the book that mentions that the Israelites were setting off on the way to the promised land ("then after that the children of Israel journeyed"). Total bollocks of course, but I think that people look in the notes column of these pages for events. Happy to remove any comments if they don't find favour after discussion on the talk pages. Cheers. Quitting Religion (talk) 08:40, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Ideologically motivated blocking[edit]

I have been faced with multiple unannounced and unexplained blocks based on vague accusations of whitewashing, (providing more detail on the relationship between Catholicism and the Right during the first half of the twentieth century by using recognized historical sources), it seems as though I am being censored for providing info that doesn`t agree with the ideology of many of the editors, but I have consistently remained neutral, provided sources and stayed polite. I had hoped rationalwiki would encourage constructive dialogue not censorship of those who mention that Pope Pius XII supported Claus von Stauffenberg. Is it whitewashing to reject the claim that Pius XII was a Fascist? Or to note the distinction between Integralism and Fascism? Does one need to support the myth pushed by the KGB that Conservative Catholicism=Fascism in order to not be banned for whitewashing? I had read that rationalwiki does not have ideological bans and I also read I could alert sysops so I thought I would do so. JohnLogan (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@JohnLogan Instead of bothering an individual moderator, I suggest you take your issues to the moderator noticeboard. Thanks, Cosmikdebris (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)