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VICE on Satanism
- They attempt to summon the "Goat of a Thousand Ages"! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- You're right. That (in my opinion not very funny) cartoon has nothing to do with the "Beliefs" section that it accompanies. Come to think of it, it's pretty ridiculous having a single section called "Beliefs" which seems to suggest that all self-identified Satanists believe the same thing, which they most definitely do not. Spud (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
LaVey and Nazi symbolism?
Whilst I am going to tread carefully in this article as I don't much fancy giving the impression of hoisting the flag for LaVeyan Satanism, the following paragraph is bizarre and the reference is to Satan Speaks! by LaVey:
- The former mindset was visible in the writings of Anton LaVey, who used Nazi symbolism habitually despite being of part-Jewish ancestry himself, and was aware of the irony. In his essay "A Plan", published as part of the posthumous compendium Satan Speaks!, he noted that, for the longest time, the Jewish people were the largest group of religious "rebels" within the Christian world, and were frequently smeared as being in league with Satan by the authorities of the time; as such, he drew intellectual and philosophical connections between Judaism and his philosophy. He envisioned Satanism as a way for modern, non-practicing young Jews (especially those from mixed Jewish/Gentile marriages), who don't fit in with the synagogue, the church, or the white supremacist movement, to claim a new, "tough" identity as an alternative to the humanism of the secular, liberal Jewish mainstream, jokingly suggesting that the Church of Satan was where a "Zionist Odinist Bolshevik Nazi Imperialist Socialist Fascism" could thrive."
The thing is, the meaning has been significantly reversed as latter phrase is completely taken out of context from the referenced book, with the paragraph containing it beginning:
- "It will become easier and more convincing for any Satanist to combine a Jewish lineage with a Nazi aesthetic, and with pride rather than with guilt and misgiving...."
I'm not really sure whether this is even relevant to the section and I think someone has used this a bit disingenously to try to equate Satanism with Nazi ideology -- as though it was necessary to embellish the less than comfortable parts of his writing, lol. --Tristessa de St Ange (talk) 09:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)