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Regarding the localisation[edit]

How could I start a page like the Russian one please? I couldn't find the entry. — Unsigned, by: Police / talk / contribs

@Police There are a few pages already in Chinese and you can use them for starting points: Category:Chinese. You can find help on creating a page here: Help:New Article ("The easiest way to create the page is to 'search' for the title using 'Go' and click on 'create this page'. (Make sure your title's pretty though.") Making a page in Chinese shouldn't be any different than any other language. Before you save the page, make sure to add this at the bottom of the page, "[[Category:Chinese]]" so that it gets listed along with the other pages in the Chinese category. If we ever get to having a largish number of pages in Chinese then we'll consider making a domain for them like Russian. Bongolian (talk) 06:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian Thanks for the reply, but I still have some uncertain things to figure out. For example, how could I create a translated page for https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Josh_Axe? Could you give me a hand? I find the structure here is quite different from normal Wikipedia website, and I don't want to make a mess here. Police (talk) 08:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police I suggest you start by creating a draft like this one. Just type rationalwiki.org/wiki/Draft: followed by whatever Josh Axe's Chinese name is. Then click on "Create" and start writing. You can then take as long as you like to do the translation and it can be moved out of draft space and into main space when you've finished it. Even though I can't read or write Chinese my experience here in general, and my experience creating translations in particular, probably means I will be able to help you a little. Spud (talk) 11:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks. I have created a draft here: https://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Josh_Axe_(Simplified_Chinese), but I still find the edit page is quite difficult for translation because it uses so many tags/marks and while sometimes the order of words have to be adjusted. It there a more user-friendly way to edit it in a "preview" mode? Police (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police You know, you really should rename that draft so that its title is Josh Axe's Chinese name written in Chinese characters.
I didn't copypaste the English text for any translation I did. I wrote my translation on paper first, a few paragraphs at a time, and then copied those few paragraphs onto the draft page. I usually added the notes and references after I'd completed a section. I found it easier that way. But that's just me.
So to answer your question, no, I don't think there's really any easier way of doing it. Like I said before, take your time. There's no hurry. And maybe you could edit the pages that are already in our Chinese category a little. That might help you get more of a feel for wiki editing. Spud (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
And @Police, in response to what you asked me on Discord, it's really already been said. It's really not a good idea to create another separate wiki like the Russian one in Chinese, or any other language, at the moment. After a lot of articles in Chinese are created, then we can consider it. Spud (talk) 11:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks again for your tips. Speaking of the localisation of his name, I believe it's better to keep his name in English, because many who introduced him to Chinese readers didn't translate his name either. And if I translated his name in Chinese, Chinese readers may have no idea who we describe here. Police (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Spud A new question please. How could I translate the banner on the right side? Like "Against allopathy Alternative medicine Icon alt med alt.svg Clinically unproven" Police (talk) 07:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Police OK, I can understand your reason for not transliterating his name. But you should translate the name of the language in parentheses after it. You will see other articles with titles like that in the Chinese category.
So, you're asking about translating the alternative medicine nav template. Again, I don't think that's a good idea just yet. The point of those templates is that point readers towards other articles. And since there aren't any other articles on alternative medicine in Chinese yet, there's nothing to point them towards. However, if you really want a template<, I suggest that you make a request in the Saloon bar. I don't know how to make one. But I'm sure that somebody else could create a template for you with text in English that you could translate into Chinese. But I'd really wait until there are more articles that could go into a Chinese-language alternative medicine category before asking for that. Spud (talk) 11:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Concern trolling template[edit]

Rough storm pirate.png Ahoy, matey!
Beware, for there be a great sea of
Concern Troll Bullshit ahead!

At last, she be finished! Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 15:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Lovely jubbly! You know, I think I will use that AND alter the headings of any future Unlicensed Thinker posts in the "Surprise, sur-fucking-prise" way I mentioned earlier. Spud (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Christophobia vs Islamophobia comparison[edit]

According to you "Be aware that Christophobia and persecution of Christians are not the same thing". How is Christophobia not the same as Islamophobia when they can both lead to the same outcome. What persecution does a Christian have to suffer before it can be termed "Christophobia"? There is a clear double standard between the two articles, so why do you object to those examples I added? BirdWord

"Islamophobia" is a widely used and understood term. "Christophobia" is not. The term "Christophobia" appears to be mainly used by people who have no idea what it means to live in constant fear of your life simply because of your religion. You are doing no favours to people who were murdered because of their religion by lumping them in with a bunch of arseholes whining on the internet about how they are being persecuted by the secular liberals. Spud (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
And new threads on a user talk page go at the bottom, not at the top. Spud (talk) 06:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining how the threads work on Talk Pages. About the term "Christophobia" if, for example, the survivors of the Sri Lanka Easter Bombings or Christians living in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia started using that term, would their plights? Also, please explain how persecution of Christians isn't Christophobia when Christophobia can lead to those things just like Muslims and Islamophobia. I understand what you're saying about use of the term, but things are changing and the term is starting to gain in usage and these sort of incidents are on the rise; it's less often people with a persecution complex or anti-left-wing paranoia using that term. For example, why didn't the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting count but the Christchurch shooting did? So what examples do you think would be appropriate to add to the Christophobia page? Especially since the Islamophobia page has the courtesy to distinguish between Muslims genuinely suffering for their religious beliefs and people using the term out of paranoia or a political agenda; just please give Christianity the same standards Islam is given. BirdWord (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2019)
Also, why does the article say Christophobia is a real thing if it's a term used by people you claim are conspiracy theorists looking to blame everything on "evil liberals"? If you're going to acknowledge it's a real thing, there should be examples. Besides, even atheists like Richard Dawkins (who, iirc, was once considered a hero by this site) and Sargon of Akkad (in this video with the similar title "Christianophobia", as seen here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNhC5gq8AQ0&t=1s ) have acknowledged anti-Christian double standards and discrimination are on the rise. BirdWord (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2019)

AD vs CE[edit]

When S.H. DeLong wrote the article, he began with the AD method of dating, so I just kept it like that for consistency's sake (and at that point, the dating was the least of our problems). I think we started it like that because a lot of the historiography surrounding Rome and Byzantium uses AD/BC. Just letting you know. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I really think we should always use BCE and CE here. Except, of course, when it's part of a quote, a book title or something like that. On Wikipedia, I have sometimes reluctantly changed BCE and CE to BC and AD for consistency. But I much prefer making the change the other way round. Spud (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I'm certainly not going to stop you. But I don't seem to remember us having a consistent policy on BC/AD vs. BCE/CE. Perhaps we should make one if we don't? RoninMacbeth (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I think you're right. I don't think we have an official policy about using BCE and CE. Maybe we should. Anyway, for now, every time I see BC and AD used, I will change them. Spud (talk) 06:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
BCE/CE is widely considered to be the more secular and religiously-neutral dating system, so I think we should go with that. Considering, y'know, what website we're on. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 06:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Exactly! Especially considering that Conservapedia got started after Andy Schlafly was shocked when one of his home-schooled students used BCE/CE and he found out she'dd learned it from Wikipedia. If it wasn't for that nasty secular BCE/CE, there would have been no Conservapedia, and consequently, no RationalWiki either. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
And there was me always using AD/BC because i'm dumb. :) NekoDysk 10:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Messages[edit]

I sent you a message on Discord. Cheers! Dr. Ox quack specialist 07:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I think I'm too late now, right? Anyway, I'm really not the least bit interested in Discord. That's why I didn't add the Discord userbox to my user page or add myself to the list of RatWikians on Discord. I never had a clue what was going on there and I stopped looking at it altogether a couple of weeks ago. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

翻译[edit]

你从来没有告诉我你翻译的名字。Oxyaena Harass 09:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena I'm sorry, although I've lived in Taiwan for more than 16 years, I only know about 20 words of Chinese (and half of those are the numbers one to ten) and I cannot read or write it at all. So I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what you just said. Spud (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Use Google Translate. Oxyaena Harass 11:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Ceci est un dialogue de sourds. Spud (talk) 11:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
الصم هم الناس أيضًا. Oxyaena Harass 12:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)