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"William Lane Craig" article - logical fallacy[edit]

I saw you reverted my change to the Craig article. The argument that "looks like a logical fallacy" to you is in fact a valid application of modus tollens or "denying the consequent", not an application of the (fallacious) inference pattern affirming the consequent.

I'm not going to revert it or reply again about this. Leave the article in whatever state you like. (Sorry if it's bad form to bring this up here, I'm not familiar with wiki etiquette.)— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations.--RWRW (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

And you won, as the second most popular candidate as only LeftyGreenMario got more votes than you. Have fun. ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Gears.png Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 13:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
That's fantastic! I had no idea I was that popular. Thanks to everybody who voted for me. I would, of course, like to dedicate this victory to my sister and my father, both of whom were taken from this life much too soon. Spud (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

About your comment on my CP-related essay[edit]

Hi @Spud,

Yesterday I looked on my case in the moderation talk page, and while you and the other mods had some fairly good reasons to not trust me, I found one of your complaints about me rather interesting, and I quote:

β€œβ€I also find the fixation that BadPiggies9 has with Cnservapedia to be slightly troubling, especially the uploading of screencapss of vandalism done to that wiki.

Now, it's one thing to be suspicious of me for doing stupid things with my sysop powers (attempting to protect an article that didn't need protection and attempting to perma-ban another user just for disagreeing with my edits), removing the AFD template from an article (which by the way, was an accident; if you look in the fossil record for that page, you'll find that I later put it back when people started complaining), as well as having a big drama episode last week.

However, it is another thing to be suspicious of me because I happen to be interested in a topic that you have long since moved past, and to be suspicious of me just because of a small, incomplete essay that nobody even reads anyway that is about me trying to make CP more truthful (even if said truthfulness never lasts more than a minute). Temporarily blanking the pages of a wiki that we all hate here does not reflect what I intend to do on a wiki that I love. B'P"9 20:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Special Delivery of Cuteness and Happiness[edit]

Since you asked for pictures and videos of kittens, here are some: one, two, three, four, and five. Nerd (talk) 14:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nerd Thank you. Spud (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh, hey Spud, how are you feeling? --It's-a me, πŸŽ„LeftyGreenMario!πŸŽ„(Mod) 18:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario Sorry, your comment here got lost in the middle of all the drama that was happening on my talk page. I'm pretty much back to normal now. But the fact that my sister is gone is the last thing I think about before I go to sleep at night and the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning. For the first time since she died, I had a dream about her last night. I hugged her and told her that I loved her. She said, "I know," That was nice. Spud (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
That's why I love sleeping. It helps refresh your brain. Mommy is right! Now I will go sink some Commies for mommy! Those bad boys aren't gonna sink themselves. Glad things are back to normal for you. :-) Nerd (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

False statistics on HIV[edit]

@RoninMacbeth, @Bongolian, @Cosmikdebris, @GrammarCommie, @Avida Dollars, @Dysklyver

"The proposal to warn both Lankaster and James Earl Cash to stop edit warring, with the knowledge that future action might be taken."

So you voted for it... and here it is James Earl Cash deleting information that I wrote about Nigel Farage telling false statistics on HIV and migrants in a public debate. Will you take action as promised? -Lankaster (talk) 08:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I discussed it with James. I prefer the version that James asked, because you did kind of brush past that. However, I do believe you should readd your information while preserving Jamnes's edits. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth That's not what I asked in this thread. James Earl Cash deleted the information I wrote about Farage spreading false statistics on HIV. Will you take action as promised? -Lankaster (talk) 17:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm trying to be the bigger person here. This is kinda sorta uncalled for. James Earl Cash (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah this issue seems to have been settled quickly. I feel it's counterproductive to take action right now. --It's-a me, πŸŽ„LeftyGreenMario!πŸŽ„(Mod) 18:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Quoting out of context β€”Β quote mining β€”Β is bad, @Lankaster, and you've been caught doing it. As a moderator, I don't appreciate that this spat is being dragged across yet another political page so soon after a coop case. Cut it out. Take some time off to reflect. Edit a non-political page. Bongolian (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "I'm trying to be the bigger person here." You are not trying to be the bigger person, I made an edit and your next posts contained "For fuck's sakes", "you decided to add a bunch of shitty euphemisms", "Thanks for proving you're every bit the dumbass", "Yep, definitely a fucking shit for brains", and suggested that my real surname is McLaghing "that's even if McLaghingLankaster" (click)
@LeftyGreenMario "Yeah this issue seems to have been settled quickly." No, this issue required me (again) to write a lot on the talk page, to justify what was a perfectly right edit.
@Bongolian "out of context β€” quote mining β€” is bad, Lankaster, and you've been caught doing it." What!? Are you out of your mind? Tell me where I did quote out of context in my edit on Nigel Farage page. "As a moderator, I don't appreciate that this spat is being dragged across yet another political page so soon after a coop case. Cut it out." No, James Earl Cash should stop to delete factual information without reasons; and, as a moderator, you should say so. -Lankaster (talk) 19:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Um, okay. There's a definite communication problem here, or at least that's all I hope it is. Sure I got hostile in the beginning with your edits, but that's because there's no reason to try and take out documented, sourced information that incriminates Farage for being every bit the stereotypical Brexit shithead people think he is and certainly is far too nice to Trump. Aside from the sock accusation, the rest of that was directed at some BoN. So yeah...this is getting a tad out of hand.
I mean I don't expect us to get along anytime soon and I'd prefer it if you just were flat out honestly malicious with me instead of putting on any pretend genial act, but I already explained the last edit I did with Farage on his HIV remarks. I didn't notice that Farage was lying about the HIV stats so I just thought it was more article bloat. That simple. James Earl Cash (talk) 19:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
You being hostile is bad. You know that being hostile would just cause the discussion to drag more than it should have. Just stop it with the accusations. --It's-a me, πŸŽ„LeftyGreenMario!πŸŽ„(Mod) 19:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "I didn't notice that Farage was lying about the HIV stats so I just thought it was more article bloat." After I raised a coop case telling you to stop deleting factual information without any reason, you saw that I added the false HIV statistics spread by Farage and the official statistics of the UK government and... you deleted everything because you thought it was "article bloat"? You are admitting that you delete stuff without even reading/understanding it. -Lankaster (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Mistakes happen. Can't say much more than that. We've been over this. I looked over what I deleted again and it just looks like some random quote by him where he attempts to handwave being an asshole. It's not important or at least it reads that way, so if you want to get to the heart of the matter and highlight him being a liar, well feel free. After all, we don't just regurgitate facts or what someone said, we need to go in and say why something is wrong.
And for someone who pretty blatantly wants to pick a fight with me on the pretense of adhering to wiki standards, there was really no reason for you to delete the part where he openly said he wanted to ban all immigrants. James Earl Cash (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "there was really no reason for you to delete the part where he openly said he wanted to ban all immigrants." If you mean the sentence "During the Leader's debates, Nigel Farage attracted controversy when he suggested that HIV-positive migrants should not enter the country (a claim which is not supported by the evidence).(ref)Dina Rickman. Nigel Farage could not be more wrong about HIV and immigration, The Independent. May 2015.(/ref)" I replaced it with the quote on Farage false HIV statistics, hence removing the claim that HIV-positive migrants should not enter the country, because the given source (Dina Rickman's article) is indeed a refutation of Farage false HIV statistics, and it does not talk about banning HIV migrants. The sentence about Farage wanting to ban HIV migrants was in the source given after (Nicholas Watt's article), which I did not delete. If you wanted to make clear that, besides spreading false HIV statistics, Farage wants to ban HIV migrants, you could have just replaced the sentence "This is not the first time he has made these comments(ref)" with something like "This is not the first time he has made these comments, indeed in 2014 he called to ban HIV migrants from entering UK(ref)" and I would have been perfectly fine with that. Instead, you just decided to delete what I wrote without thinking twice, as you always do. -Lankaster (talk) 10:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Are you finished yet? This is getting unbelievably tiresome. James Earl Cash (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜@RoninMacbeth, @Bongolian, @Cosmikdebris, @GrammarCommie, @Avida Dollars, @Dysklyver, you all ignored my questions (question for RoninMacbeth, question for Bongolian, question for Cosmikdebris, GrammarCommie, Avida Dollars, Dysklyver) and, as usual, after he deleted factual and relevant information from a page without motivations, James is free to go without even a slap on the wrist. -Lankaster (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

So, can anyone point to difflinks with the relevant edits? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth Lankaster, JEC. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm relatively certain that I told James to revert Lankaster's edits there with the understanding that Lankaster's edit would be implemented elsewhere in the article. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "I told James to revert Lankaster's edits there with the understanding that Lankaster's edit would be implemented elsewhere in the article" link to such message? You knew I asked repeatedly that James stops to revert my edits without motivation, if you really told him privately to revert my edits then you acted irresponsibly. -Lankaster (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
My response was posted in this section. Also, how is this conflict still going on? Have there been further develpments as far as content goes? RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I thought this conflict is long resolved. There has been no development aside from edits by me and Lankaster's suggestions. I don't know why Lankaster is dragging this one out to try to get James Earl Cash punished. If he was being far more contentious, it would be a problem, but this is not a problem. Any other mod agrees with me? --It's-a me, πŸŽ„LeftyGreenMario!πŸŽ„(Mod) 19:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "My response was posted in this section." I know... I know... and I replied...
@LeftyGreenMario "I thought this conflict is long resolved." The conflict about that specific edit is resolved. The conflict about James keeping reverting my edits without a motivation is still really unsolved. "I don't know why Lankaster is dragging this one out to try to get James Earl Cash punished." Because I'd like to do other edits to RW, but knowing that they will be reverted by James without motivation, no matter how factual and well supported they are, and with all the moderation being apparently OK with that, makes me think that first it should be solved this issue. -Lankaster (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
You know what? Let's get this specific issue out of the way. First, I need both @James Earl Cash and @Lankaster to say if they are satisfied with Nigel Farage as it is right now. Second, I need James Earl Cash to understand that, where possible, Lankaster's edits should be expanded upon, not simply reverted. Third, we should at least consider giving Lankaster a mop so he and James are at least on equal footing. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought Mario handled the Farage page a long time age to everyone's satisfaction, and her message to me on the Sarsour page definitely got the point across about reverting. Why is this still going on, Lankaster? James Earl Cash (talk) 20:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@Lankaster can you stop @ing me please? I'm not interested in getting pulled into this row. Avida Dollarsher again 20:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth Tragically it appears someone has taken your advice and demoted Lankaster to Sysop. That same someone is willing to take both sides' toys away and block them each for a week if this crap isn't settled soon. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "You know what?" I know you posted your response on Nigel Farage Talk Page, and I replied. Anyway, I don't want to talk about it again.
"First, I need [...] Lankaster to say if they are satisfied with Nigel Farage as it is right now." Yes, I'm fine with the last edit of LeftyGreenMario. My only worry is about my future edits.
@James Earl Cash "her message to me on the Sarsour page definitely got the point across about reverting. Why is this still going on, Lankaster?" Which message? I cannot know what LeftyGreenMario says to you on another page. If a moderator finally told you to stop deleting information without reason, then very good. -Lankaster (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, and I understand your concern. Which is why @James Earl Cash should come here to reaffirm that he understands that he should expand off your edits, not revert them. Is this acceptable to you? RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
"Which is why James Earl Cash should come here to reaffirm that he understands that he should expand off your edits, not revert them. Is this acceptable to you?" Yes, it is. -Lankaster (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Really? You can't check the talk page of an article you created? First you wanted me punished over a change that RoninMacbeth approved, and now you're shifting the goalposts to try and get me to publicly kowtow before you. Ain't gonna happen. James Earl Cash (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Gods dammit, both of you. Just tell each other you'll either expand on each others' writing, or give a really, really, good reason on the talkpage. If you two see this as kowtowing, then kowtow to each other. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Like I said, Mario told me that a long time ago and I got the message loud and clear. As far as the kowtowing part goes, I'm not afraid to publicly express that I doubt the intentions of someone who won a coop case and is starting a non-issue to drag my name through the dirt for whatever reason, but yeah, you won't have any problems from me. James Earl Cash (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "Gods dammit, both of you." Why "both"? The only one here who doesn't want to find some kind of agreement is James, I did. "Just tell each other you'll either expand on each others' writing, or give a really, really, good reason on the talkpage." Yep, I'm not going to delete factual information without a reason and without discussing it on the talkpage, no matter who (James Earl Cash included) has written such information.
When James says "Mario told me that a long time ago and I got the message loud and clear" he is lying: according to himself, Mario told that to him on 15 November but on 19 November he deleted what I wrote about Farage HIV statistics, so he did not get the message loud and clear. -Lankaster (talk) 08:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh my god, shut the fuck up already. James Earl Cash (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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re: YOUR message on MY talk page[edit]

I am NOT a troll, I was NOT blocked on Conservapedia and I do NOT agree with people who UNFAIRLY moan about my ALL CAPS. KING damian (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

And I'd like to point out that I know the person who wrote the message above was a fake pretending to be a different user. Spud (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


How do you feel? Still healing? Hoping toi gavΓ© sweet steaks about your sister. But still I would imagine the dreams are mixed feelings like they are painful reminders but again, I am not you. --It's-a me, πŸŽ„LeftyGreenMario!πŸŽ„(Mod) 06:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, @LeftyGreenMario. Thanks for asking after me. Well, not much has changed in the past few days. It's been a month now since my sister died. I have only had the one dream about her, so far. And it was nice! I think about my sister every day. The fact that she is gone is still the last thing I think about before I go to sleep and the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning. I keep thinking about how I'm already older than she will ever be and I may have another four or five decades in front of me in which I'll think that. I feel a bit different to how I did before she died. But I'm pretty much back to normal. I'm surviving! Anyway, thanks again. Spud (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Pro censorship hack[edit]

Hey why did you can The dark Master? especially if he was trying to get better with pages like the ordovician. (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Rape of Nanking[edit]

I've been doing some light research on it, as an extension of my History of China course. You live in Taiwan, do you know what the government there says about it? RoninMacbeth (talk) 02:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth Excellent question. Well, what I can say is that the way in which Japanese aggression and colonial expansion during the 1930s and '40s and Japan in general are viewed is quite different in Taiwan to mainland China. What you have to remember is that Taiwan was ceded to Japan at the end of the Sino-Japanese War in 1895 and official Chinese rule had never really extended over all of Taiwan in the 300 odd years before that anyway. Japanese rule in Taiwan didn't really begin and end with two opposing armies. Instead, it was with the signing of papers, the lowering and raising of flags, the handing over of a sword and salutes on both sides. By the time of the Rape of Nanking, Taiwan had already been under largely peaceful Japanese colonial rule for more than 40 years.
Japanese colonial rule has had a lasting cultural impact on Taiwan. I'm going to go out in a moment and walk past lots of cafΓ©s and shops that have the beckoning catWikipedia's W.svg in the window. Nearly every day, somebody says to me, chotto matte, Japanese for "wait a moment". The relationship between Taiwan and Japan could be likened to that between several other Asian and African countries and Britain or other European colonial powers. The Taiwanese $500 bill represents a youth team from Taiwan that won a national Japanese baseball competition during colonial times. Since baseball was introduced to Taiwan by the Japanese, they effectively beat the Japanese at their own game. However, unlike in other Asian and African countries, I think you'd find a lot more people here who would unashamedly argue that colonialism was very much a good thing, what with the Japanese bringing railways, electric lights, improved health care, sanitation and education to Taiwan. There's certainly no popular anti-Japanese sentiment here, unlike in South Korea. Anime and manga are hugely popular here. Japanese pop music used to be very popular here, although South Korean pop music has now over taken it in popularity. Japan is the second largest source of tourists to Taiwan after Hong Kong. Japanese is the second most widely taught foreign language in Taiwan after English. In the recent past, some Western visitors to Taiwan experienced hostility from people whose families supported Imperial Japan during World War II, but that's extremely unlikely to happen now.
So, I'd say that the different historical relationship between Taiwan and Japan means that the way in which events on the Chinese mainland are viewed here is quite different from how they're viewed in the PRC.
Much more important to the modern nation-making myth in Taiwan today is the overthrowing of Imperial Chinese rule and the rise of the Republic of China in 1911. The national day of Taiwan on October 10 commemorates the founding of the Republic of China. Children are taught at school that Sun Yat-Sen was a hero because he put an end to the system where the emperor had the power of life and death over every one of his subjects. The thing is that, unlike the Japanese and the communist Chinese, there really aren't any supporters of the Chinese emperor around anymore. So the founding myth of your nation can include an enemy that had to be defeated without upsetting anyone, especially not any great economic powers. Spud (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2018 (UTC)


Why did you revert my removal of various sentences of manic, unsourced (or sourced to Chomsky and opinion articles), anti-Israel propaganda screed? This is described as "RationalWiki", yet it is apparently composed of irrelevant agitprop about "slaughtering innocents", which is sourced to biased opinion articles, sources which don't describe the events as related to the categories (either Zionism or terrorism), and randomly cherrypicked news stories based on the actions of a single religious mass shooter. The article later on describes Zionism as "ethnic nationalism" based in "blood and soil", and that these two components are comparable to Nazism. Hint: Israel is one of the most multiracial in the world, which you would know if you had ever been there (which is evidently not the case of whoever wrote this article). This site, judging from such articles, appears to be anything but rationalist - but rather a biased, manic platform for one-sided political activists, to write unsourced propaganda to suit their pet hatred of certain countries and races. Jana (talk) 04:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Judging from the heat behind your words you're a bit biased yourself. Take a deep breath, calm down, and explain your position again. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 05:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Why is it some users can be put into political catagories but not others?[edit]

When you reverted an edit on my page that put me into a category, you said users aren't allowed to use those categories. So why is it that User:MariaMacLachlan get's special treatment? --Ambition of Truth (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ambition of Truth Special treatment? Hardly, given it was LuodiWang, not Spud, who added the categories. The situation has been rectified, thank you for your assistance in this matter. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Not sure how a known anti-trans activist flew under the radar, wheras a noname like me didn't. But at least I succeeded in having the MGTOW's listed by someone else in the "Pissed at us" category. --Ambition of Truth (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)