Talk:Spiritual warfare

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Why would this be labeled as pseudo science? Surly you have a better insult than this. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

You are correct, surely we have a better bullshit label for this. humanUser talk:Human 13:19, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
How about "Warning, Extreme Cultism. May damage the mind and lead to drinking of the Kool Aide." Rational Edperception 13:28, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Actually, what we should do is edit the "bullshit" template so it is broader in scope. Gonna try... humanUser talk:Human 13:33, 1 May 2008 (EDT)


"Spiritual warfare" is when two psychics get in a fight.  : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:40, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I knew you were going to say that. humanUser talk:Human 13:41, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I think William Blake first used the term for the artist's battle for imagination and creativity against the forces of materialism (which might now more clearly be defined as capitalism).Rational Edperception 13:45, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Evangelical perspective only?[edit]

I believe this term is way broader than described. Historicaly, "spiritual warfare" was a term describing individual ascetic practices intended to combat temptations. 16th century Italian monk named Lorenzo Scupoli wrote a book called "Spiritual Combat" which is very influential in Catholic spirituality. Loose translation of this book by a Russian monk (St Theophan the Recluse), titled "Unseen Combat", is enormously influential in Eastern Orthodox Church. The practice as described in the article seem to be a distortion of this concept. — Unsigned, by: OrthodoxBeliever / talk / contribs

As I understand it, that sort of "spiritual warfare" is not distinct from ordinary Christianity (even the New Testament writers talked about it with their military metaphors); these Protestants are making something entirely new. You are welcome to add in a section about the Catholic/Orthodox take on the concept, if you think the article is lacking. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

"Christian fiction, including C.S. Lewis's The Screwtape Letters and Frank Peretti's This Present Darkness, has touched upon themes of spiritual warfare with the intention of edifying believers"[edit] in The Screwtape Letters did Lewis give the merest hint that there was any way to have a victory over demons beyond dying in God's good graces? I get that the Spiritual warfare idea is bunk, but I've read that book many, many times, and at best it seems to be saying "that voice in your head telling you to do bad things is a demon, and you shouldn't listen to it" -- definitely not a damn thing about being able to pray the demon into submission. In fact, the demons are fairly jubilant when the human becomes a Christian, because it's an all the more insidious way to lead him into pride and intolerance.KrytenKoro (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)