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What's wrong with this?

What is wrong with protesting against taxes? Elassint Throw things at me 14:24, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Nothing--it's denying that taxes apply to you when all the guys with guns and jails say different that betrays a lack of reality-based thinking. --Gulik 15:02, 9 November 2007 (EST)

"Tax denier" is probably the more accurate term (as there are quite a few tax protesters, many even on the left, who protest taxation for one reason or another but are willing to go to jail for their stance (i.e. civil disobedience) rather than try to bamboozle a court that has heard it all before), but it is not the preferred nomenclature; it's sort of like how the hacker community has been fighting a losing battle for decades against cultural usage of "hacker" for "cracker". EVDebs 14:22, 18 November 2007 (EST)

RA--what are you doing?

Why move this? PFoster 19:49, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Don't you believe in the spirit of wandalism? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 19:50, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

Fiskbait

This revision brings the crazy. Someone please fisk it. EVDebs (talk) 07:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Reverse logic

Allow these persons who protest about doing so to 'not pay taxes.'

Then disallow them from using #anything# funded by taxation (including the roads, water supply and sewage system, 'health and safety, consumer protection and anti-adulteration legislation')... and no, they can't use the courts to enforce anything or go to their elected representation, because they are partially funded by taxation.

Poll Tax

You'll need to check but afaik 'poll tax' means 'head tax' i.e. an equal tax per person. Likewise I imagine a vote is called a 'poll' because it is essentially a 'head count', but I don't believe there is any direct connection between a poll tax and the right to vote. Certainly I'm fairly sure the UK poll tax was applied to all adult residents to pay for local government services regardless of whether or not they were eligible to vote (e.g. they might be aliens from the US!) 82.153.117.18 (talk) 06:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind legal terminology between two different countries doesn't always line up, even when they speak the same language. Poll taxes in the US are tied to voting rights and are explicitly unconstitutional. EVDebs (talk) 07:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Aside

I am reminded of the old Disney Robin Hood where taxes are apparently 100% and the root of all evil. Тy^No 13:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Non-US tax pseudolaw; British protests

Are tax protesters (the kind who use lawquackery in an attempt to get out of their taxes) all that common outside of the US? I've never heard of any and the article doesn't cite any examples. Also, should the British tax protests be a separate article? Other than the word "protest" there is really no connection between people making reasonable arguments about the tax system and a bunch of cranks pushing pseudolaw? Godspeed (talk) 19:12, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Some drive-by left this.

Any validity in this word salad? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

... aside from one by Tommy Cryer where a federal jury unanimously found Cryer not guilty on two misdemeanor counts of failure to file.

And according to Cryer, the prosecution dismissed two felony charges of tax evasion prior to trial… Cryer stated: “The court could not find a law that makes me liable or makes my revenues taxable,” Cryer said. “The Supreme Court has ruled that the government cannot impose an income tax on anything but the profits and gains. When you work for someone you give your service and labor in exchange for money, so everything you make is not profit or gain. You put something into it.”

Also Lloyd L. Long in 1993, and one Gabriel Scott in Alaska was also acquitted by jurors, and Vernice Kuglin where a Memphis federal jury acquitted the FedEx airplane pilot of six counts of tax evasion and willful failure to file tax returns Friday, August 8, 2003. Also Dr. Lois Somerville was acquitted by Judge Patricia Fawsett who entered an order of acquittal before jury deliberation. “Essentially, she [Judge Fawcett] felt the government was unable to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt,” said Somerville attorney Steven L. Sands. And then there's the trials of Dick Simkanin where in the first trial a Texas federal jury hung 11-1 in favor of acquitting New Bedford businessman Dick Simkanin, 59, of willful failure to withhold taxes from his employees’ wages. In Simkanin's second trial, Judge McBryde granted a pre-trial government motion to deny Simkanin the ability to present any of the evidentiary exhibits upon which he relied to form his beliefs about the tax code. When Simkanin’s attorney Arch McColl tried to ask government witnesses about the legal definition of “wages,” Texas Star-Telegram reporter Max Baker wrote that Judge McBryde “told the jurors they could not question the constitutionality of the tax code.”

Except for what the judge says in the last sentence, no. Godspeed (talk) 17:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)