Talk:The United States as a Christian nation

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I was reading this and it occurred to me that people could easily argue that Jefferson (it was Adams actually) represented a minority position of the Founding Fathers in being a Secularist, partly because he was a member of the Federalist Party (the Religious Right tending to prefer the thought of the Democratic-Republicans and Thomas Jefferson), and partly because he wasn't an author of the Deceleration of Independence, the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers. So I'm going to alter the section "Treaty of Tripoli" to "From The Founders Mouths" which will include the Treaty of Tripoli, but also quotes by Jefferson, Madison, Adams, and if I can find the time, I'll look through some of the other major figures in the Founding Movement (Washington, Franklin, etc). I might also include some comments talking about the danger of mixing religion and politics from some major political figures since the Foundation Period.

Just wanted to give a heads up incase I save the page and it seem incomplete.--Logic and Empricism (talk) 21:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Moral Minority by Brooke Allen was a fun little exploration of the more famous founding fathers. It's not exhaustive (less than 200 pages) but it's good for laymen. --TheLateGatsby (talk) 14:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A bit (a lot) clunky

This could be made a lot better. I'll try. ħuman 03:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Talking About Being a Christian Nation, not a Christian Government

Not a member of the religious right here nor a supporter of its agenda. But I do agree with the notion that the United States was historically founded as a Christian nation. Not that it was enshrined in the Constitution of the federal government - but in the constitution of the nation, as in, the makeup and character of the nation, the people of America? Undoubtedly, indisputably, overwhelmingly Christian in belief and practice as well as worldview throughout most of its history. Reflected clearly across the country in common law, state law, and yes, even some federal laws throughout most of its history. It was a Christian nation under a secular government. The Treaty of Tripoli, far from decisively disproving that, corroborates: the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen.

The government and the nation, as in the people, are two very different things. Think it's intellectually weak not to acknowledge and discuss the difference here, or to pretend Christianity was never an important part of the social fabric of the American nation. That smacks of what you guys call 'woo' on here. 192.160.165.63 (talk) 12:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Did you forget to read the "This is not simply referencing that the majority of Americans were, and many still are, Christians (albeit of a rather large variety of denominations), but rather, the state and its institutions should openly embrace and promote Christianity and (in some cases) the Old Testament legal code (which is a terrible foundation for laws)." part following the first sentence in this article? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 14:04, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

It appears I did forget that I had read that. I'll admit my error and withdraw my argument. I would, however, suggest changing 'referencing' to 'acknowledging' in that sentence. 192.160.165.63 (talk) 00:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes Minister quotes

This might be apposite. Anna Livia (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Comment on 4 August 2023

Where's The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is un-American ? ^{— Unsigned, by: 172.220.79.75 / talk / contribs}

"Christian Nationalism" redirect?

I was just wondering if the community thought redirecting "Christian Nationalism" to this page is appropriate, given that Christian nationalism is so much bigger of an extremist movement. I'm of the opinion that a separate article on Christian nationalism is more appropriate, since it is a whole, separate extremist movement and, especially given its recent rise to prominence as an extremist movement. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 12:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)