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Can someone who knows what this is all about...[edit]

...make sense of this word salad that someone just dropped off: — Unsigned, by: P-Foster / talk / contribs

Ok - These are quotations from the same person, hence the apostrophes. You can't revise them. Don't alter the wording. They are from T. Ball's articles and letters. Compare them. In his new website, T. Ball apparently would like to refight the lawsuit. — Unsigned, by: Rationaluser01 / talk / contribs

Alright -- can you write the quotes into a proper paragraph/subsection and with sentences that describe a bit about what's going on, instead of just dropping them in with no context/flow? Thanks. P-Foster (talk) 20:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

New website. 2011. [1] "The two charges that I claimed to be a Professor for 28 years and the first PhD in climatology Canada are also false. The information developed without my knowledge from advertising of a presentation I made at a conference. The information that I was 25 years a professor was changed to 28 years, and the claim that I was among the first PhD’s in climate became 'was the first.' " - Dr. Tim Ball, Biography, Feb 7, 2011, "Ad Hominem"

2006 article by Tim Ball. [2] "I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England, and for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg."

2007. "But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology,...". [3] [4] and hundreds more.

Letter: The Honourable Paul Martin, P.C., M.P. Member of Parliament. House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Martin: I was one of the first climatology PhDs in the world. ... Sincerely. Dr. Tim Ball, Environmental Consultant, Victoria, British Columbia 28 Years Professor of Climatology at the University of Winnipeg [5]

I think he's saying that Ball denied making certain claims, and then refutes that by showing where Ball made those claims. I think. ThunderkatzHo! 20:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I think I agree, I think, and the denials/refutations should prolly go in this article. I'd just rather see someone who knows a little tiny bit about the subject make it look pretty. P-Foster (talk) 20:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


  1. [ New Dr. Tim Ball website and CV
  2. for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology
  5. Letter to the Paul Martin

Was he or was he not a professor for 28 years?[edit]

I am confused. Granted, confusion is not a difficult state for me to achieve, but this first section is really putting a vice on my scalp.--User:Brxbrx/sig 17:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

"...while admitting that he had not been a professor for twenty-eight years." Basically, Tim Ball is a cranky old geography prof who likes to pass himself off as "Canada's first Ph.D. in climatology and professor for 28 years." Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Then it should be clarified. I'd do it, but I need to start my morning ritual. And I'm lazy.--User:Brxbrx/sig 17:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I think the fact that the section is titled "credential fudging" is pretty clear. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:57, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
The only thing that's clear is that the section was written by some other kind of anonymous credential fudging denialist crank. Say, come to think of it wasn't Nebuchadnezzar a drunk with the DTs in the Book of Daniel in the Bible? Not that that excessive drinking & drugging have anything to do with the low quality of this article. Santamoly (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

denialist crank?[edit]

Any article that opens with "Timothy Francis Ball is a credential-fudging denialist crank." must have been written by some other kind of denialist crank. Santamoly (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

I dunno... I didn't know much about the man, so I spent a few minutes googling. After reading a bit of his work, and what others think about said work... I'd say that "...credential-fudging denialist crank" is a concise and fairly accurate opener. --Inquisitor (talk) 06:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
That's only because you don't have a PhD - and he does! Santamoly (talk) 06:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
You know how to cut to the core of me Baxter... Tielec01 (talk) 06:42, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Regarding that deleted content[edit]

It shouldn't have snuck past our quality control and it should've been deleted. Michael Mann outlined this in Twitter. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:57, 11 October 2019 (UTC)