User talk:Bryan See/Phobosgate

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Protip: If you hope for this thing, whatever it is, to have even a shot at becoming a mainspace article one day, rewrite all the text from scratch (instead of copying the text from the Gamergate article and changing some names in it). Thanks in advance. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome. I am a Phobosgate victim no longer, and I seek to find connections between it and Gamergate and the overall alt-right movement, I want to know how this led to the rise of Donald Trump and how Russia is using it as a prelude for its war against the West. I am not afraid of reprisals from the Kremlin, actually and I am a member of the anti-Trump and anti-Putin #TheResistance. -- Bryan See (talk) 14:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Moving back to my userspace[edit]

One of the articles you move back to my userspace, such as this one, has been restored. @FuzzyCatPotato, you thought this was not ready for mainspace? I've addressed them. To any administrators moving my page back and/or deleting it, I'll be free to discuss what it takes to improve this article to RationalWiki's standards. -- Bryan See (talk) 11:01, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Sources to make serious case for Phobosgate[edit]

As some of you, such as @CJ-Moki, who said that I need sources in order to create a strong and serious case for Phobosgate, here are the sources (in external links) that you'll find concrete.

Between late January to early April 2012, there were edits made by IPs.[1][2] Then, [3] shows BatteryIncluded saying in a pro-Kremlin position about the decision of the repeat mission to Phobos.

Initially, I seem to have been insistent on adding claims that the Fobos-Grunt mission would not be repeated, and that it's project team had been disbanded, based on speculation that Russia was about to join the European ExoMars programme.[4][5]

After a while, this effectively came to pass, so he started taking the opposite position; that the mission would be repeated, based on the opinion of a single scientist.[6] It is there I got influenced by Russian misinformation from such a propaganda site beforehand. Talk:Fobos-Grunt became heated and hostile. Eventually, BatteryIncluded made a series of posts on Starkiller's talk page in an effort to get me to stop claiming that the repeat mission was planned, however this simply caused me (as I am a victim of that situation, now no longer) to start claiming at every possible opportunity and with as much emphasis as possible, that there would never be another mission to Phobos, at any point in the future.[7][8][9]

In addition to the claims about the scientists behind the mission being wanted for treason, I started adding claims about a planned Anonymous operation, entitled "Phobos-Gone" aimed at taking down the Fobos-Grunt website, and conducting vigilante acts to "bring those responsible for the failure to justice". He added the claim, accompanied by one or two references which linked to user-generated content on Pastebin, to Fobos-Grunt[10][11], Alexander V. Zakharov, Lavochkin, Timeline of events associated with Anonymous, Anonymous Operation and the article about the group Anonymous[12][13][14][15]. He also created four redirects relating to the alleged campaign, before admitting during the resulting RfD discussion that he made the whole thing up in retaliation for a mildly incivil post that BatteryIncluded made on his talk page after he had repeatedly stonewalled more polite requests to stop being disruptive. Making this point also appears to have been the cause of his insistence that there would never be another mission to Phobos.[16]

And yet BatteryIncluded got me banned a month later[17], thus fulfilling Putin's design for my ban. Then I ran into Encyclopedia Dramatica, not knowing this is run by the alt-right, and the same thing appeared on OhInternet and Know Your Meme[18][19][20]

Plus there are contributions made by BatteryIncluded from February 20 to July 15 2012. And also Dennis Brown and Boing! said Zebedee, both of which use personal attacks to justify the ban as Vladimir Putin engineered.

The number of sources in terms of external links are greater, but I hope it may create a stronger and more serious case for "Phobosgate" to be included in the mainspace. @CJ-Moki and @Christopher -- Bryan See (talk) 08:24, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

This is a confusing read as it appears you referred to yourself in the third person multiple times, but the short version (I think) is: you (Bryan See) got justifiably banned from multiple websites and you think Vladimir Putin is personally responsible (based on absolutely no evidence). Due to the ban, you also hate a Wikipedia editor (BatteryIncluded) and you are on a mission to smear this editor based purely on spite. You also admit to lying about an Anonymous operation, and also acknowledge that you have a reputation for creating pages based on fictional events... but "Phobosgate is real, trust me."
Is that about right? CowHouse (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
The following comment you linked to by BatteryIncluded is still sadly accurate five years later:
Starkiller88 is a single-purpose user obsessed with the failure/repeat of the Russian spacecraft Phobos-Grunt. His months-long disruptions escalated now to acussation of me being part of Anonymous hackers waging war against he. He is obviously a paranoid person with whom it is not worth trying to explain the 5 Pilars of Wikipedia. Now, if I may, I will return to my private space station, stroke my cat and relish on the destruction reaped by my minions at Anonymopus.
Bryan See, I know I can be rude sometimes but please get some help. Seriously. You are still obsessed with this Phobos-Grunt thing on Wikipedia five years after it happened. This is not healthy. CowHouse (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
It's not that. It is the alternative facts that BatteryIncluded spouted - that's pro-Putin and pro-Trump. I thought RationalWiki debunk such claims such as those made by BatteryIncluded as part of its mission. -- Bryan See (talk) 08:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
@Bryan See I noticed on your talk page that you said you are currently studying at university. It would be a far more productive use of your time to focus on your studies instead of focusing on "Phobosgate". If your goal is for this page to become a mainspace article on RationalWiki then, I'm sorry to say this but, you'd be wasting your time.
It seems like you're using RationalWiki's mission as a cover to promote your agenda. For instance, you made multiple tweets talking about how you believe Baba Vanga's predictions ([21][22]) but recently had a change of heart after getting blocked ([23]). It's very difficult to believe anything you say. CowHouse (talk) 12:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
@CowHouse, indeed. I realize that the right-wingers and the alt-right may have a hand in driving me. They're using Baba Vanga's predictions to drive me. And I think Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin are behind this, in addition to having caused Fobos-Grunt to fail and crash upon launch. -- Bryan See (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
You really should focus on your studies. You are more likely to achieve your goals when you get a degree. ClickerClock (talk) 02:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

A section on BatteryIncluded's user talk page in Wikipedia[edit]

[24] #TheResistance -- Bryan See (talk) 08:24, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


What does a russian space mission to one of Mars moons have to do with the 2016 Election? S.H. DeLong (talk) 03:58, 12 October 2017 (UTC)