Talk:List of scientists who became creationists after studying the evidence

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My first thought was "why is this page taking so long to load?" Then I scrolled to the bottom. Nice. DickTurpis 10:44, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

Maybe shorten slightly then, to end such misapprehension? If you asked that, then others will too... Totnesmartin 10:47, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
Nah. The pause as the truth slowly dawns is part of the humor. DickTurpis 10:49, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
Fit perfectly at the bottom of my window. Nice one, had me staring blankly for a second there XD --Sid 13:01, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

I have a little bowl of pot pourri (sp?) at the bottom of my window. It makes the room smell nice. Crickets might give a similar rural ambience. Keepthem coming. 11:22, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

Perhaps we should offer a prize for anyone who can bring more to this page (properly cited of course) than the sound of insects...XD HexspecimenIt's an X 13:03, 3 August 2007 (CDT)

I don't like to be the one to make this point but ... well .... there are scientists who claim they are creationists. Behe springs to mind but there are others. Now, we would claim that they can't really be scientists because creationism doesn't follow the scientific method. But obviously their supporters would claim otherwise. We may come down to defining "scientist". Anyway, if educated creationists (is that an oxymoron?) come across this page it could well become a battle line.--Bob_M (talk) 11:31, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

Although I do not believe in creationism, intelligent design, or even god, I do feel an obligation to mention Antony Flew. In 2007, Flew published his book, "There is a God: How the World's Most Prominent Atheist Changed His Mind" and the title does not mislead. He is honest in his belief, has made little money from it, and is almost certainly not senile. He just doesn't see that tying yourself down to only one religion like that, if you believe in god, means you're risking one heaven of eternal bliss to 999,999 other eternal hells.— Unsigned, by: 76.204.97.52 / talk / contribs 20:36, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Sounds as if we need to use the not a true scotsman defence... They aint true scientists.KeepOUT 11:37, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

The issue is not that there are scientists who are creationist, but scientist who came so after studying the "Evidence." The religious conversion comes first and then the fitting of the evidence post hoc to their conversion. They don't arrive at a creationist perspective because of the evidence but because of their faith despite the evidence. tmtoulouse frustrate 11:43, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

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[edit] Article naming

There is presently a discussion about the naming of challenge articles in general taking place at Talk:Disproving Creationism. Anybody watching this page may wish to contribute.--Bob_M (talk) 05:26, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Does those ID proponents...

that are actual scientists count (like Michael Behe)? Behe's Dover case transcript/interview indicated that he converted to ID after reading some book (if that could be classified as "evidence") from some wingnut or something. K61824ZOYG I edit like Kenservative! 12:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

1) This is a joke. 2) Behe claims he saw a flagellum and was convinced it couldn't evolve. Note it says studying the evidence, if he had actually studied the flagellum he may have over come his own incredulity. - π 13:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Shall we add the word "throughly" on the title? K61824"6+18=24" 16:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


[edit] Wait! I Can Name One!

Gotcha!!! I hope you enjoyed the joke, though. Laughter is essential to life.The Goonie 1 07:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Getting a hint

You know, I think this article is trying to tell me something...hmmmmmm...now what could it be? That other guy (talk) 06:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Scientific method

Maybe we should add a note to the effect that we're thinking of "evidence" as it's used in therms of the modern scientific method. People who lived a couple of hundred years ago might have had a different understanding.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:08, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Good point, although one could argue that people like Kepler, Pascal, Newton et al were raised in a creationist environment, as there were no real alternative theories at that point. It's more a case of them being creationist (if not religious) than becoming creationist later on in life. --Ψ GremlinHable! 11:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
You could argue the exact same thing about people today. We are being raised to believe in the theory of evolution. The fact is that they were scientists and they were still creationists after studying the evidence that they had at that time.--God 11:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The article says: "became creationists after studying the evidence" - that doesn't count those who were born or absorbed the creationist ethos.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Nobody begins life as a scientists. They still believed in the theory of creationism after they had studied to become a scientist. Under your logic, I could make the page "list of scientists who became evolutionists after studying the evidence" and show the exact same page as this because people today are born into or absorbed the evolutionists ethos.--God 11:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
(EC) As I pointed out in an edit comment the word "became" is also important. This is a list of scientists who changed their ideas and became creationists - implicitly after first being real scientists.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Unlike people like Behe, who corrupt science to suit their own world view. --Ψ GremlinПоговорите! 11:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

"Nobody begins life as a scientist[]" This chick would beg to differ. Take a survey (talk) 09:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

[edit] list for checking

http://geodetective.wordpress.com/2013/12/09/obvious-lie-on-rationalwiki/ Scream!! (talk) 02:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

So, why aren't these mentioned in the article yet? It's not named "list of smart scientists who became creationists after studying the evidence", or something to that effect. Don't get me wrong, I like creationist-bashing (almost) as much as the next guy, but this is a challenge-article after all. --Norman (talk) 10:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to research the names. I checked a few. Some were not scientists. Some were scientists but I could find no indication that they became creationists based on the evidence. Becoming a Biblical literalist and then deciding that creationism is true doesn't count.--SpecialFFrog (talk) 12:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
If the list is so unreliable it doesn't even list actual scientists, I consider the challenge still open. --Norman (talk) 13:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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