Essay talk:Afterlife
How do we deal with the fact that there's nothing after this? We make the most of every second. Isn't that what makes life so precious and beautiful? That it's limited and fleeting and all to soon is gone? On the whole, I think an afterlife almost degrades the meaning of this life, since you're guaranteed to live forever regardless of what happens in this life. Damian, to see the world, things dangerous to come to, to see behind walls, draw closer, to find each other, and to feel. That is the purpose of life. We hold on to this life to make the most of it. It doesn't matter to me that there isn't anything after this. It just makes the present that much more beautiful. At the end of my life, I'll have done it all. I'll have owned every second that this world could give; oh, the people and places and things that I did and with every broken bone, I'll swear I lived. And I'll die a happy, content man. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 02:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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- [EC] Hear, Hear. Daev (talk) 02:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- how poetic... oh I forgot you're 17... how about those people who haven't gotten a chance to live normally? You say life is precious or beautiful... to whom, why? It's actually quite meaningless if we think that there is nothing else... even if that were true... there is no reason in knowing that. Such hopelessness is too much even for me--Kingdamian1 (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- What about this girl with cystic fibrosis? She hasn't gotten a chance to live normally, but that doesn't seem to stop her. To whom? To all of us. Life is something worth having. Are you trying to say that you've never had a moment that makes you pause and think, "Wow, life is pretty wonderful"? Why? Because it's the only life we have. It's beautiful because it's limited. I'm not saying that my life won't suck. Who knows, I could end up completely homeless and starving. That doesn't make life any less worth having. Damian, it's worth more exactly because there isn't anything else. If I gave you an old Saab and told you to take care of it, would you? Would you still take care of it if I told you that you'd get a Citroen Survolt after the Saab broke down regardless of how you took care of the Honda? Catch my drift? That Saab is worth more to you because it's the only car you get. If you get the Survolt afterwards, then who really cares what happens to the Saab? It's the same with life and an afterlife. Life is more valuable because it's the only shot we get. An afterlife devalues this current life. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 13:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- So by the same logic... The "magic of this minute (60 seconds) is lost because I get another 60 seconds??? I don't really follow... I say that life is eternal... it's the state that changes... how does this devalue the fact that we got this life... You just take arbitrary cut off point (whatever the time of someone's life happens to be)... and you say it would lose its "magic" if it went any further... by the same token... would you be willing to "enjoy" this 60 seconds as your last because "another shot" would devalue its whole meaning?--Kingdamian1 (talk) 02:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- I mean sure, if you go to an arbitrarily small amount of time then yes, the analogy breaks down (though you aren't guaranteed another 60 seconds, to be fair). No, I'm saying that this life is worth more because it's as long as it is. No magic to it. I don't get another life after this so I've gotta make the most of it. Like that song says, we've only got 86,400 seconds in a day to turn it all around or throw it all away. Live like you're dying, because you are. Vive Liberté! 02:58, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- So by the same logic... The "magic of this minute (60 seconds) is lost because I get another 60 seconds??? I don't really follow... I say that life is eternal... it's the state that changes... how does this devalue the fact that we got this life... You just take arbitrary cut off point (whatever the time of someone's life happens to be)... and you say it would lose its "magic" if it went any further... by the same token... would you be willing to "enjoy" this 60 seconds as your last because "another shot" would devalue its whole meaning?--Kingdamian1 (talk) 02:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- What about this girl with cystic fibrosis? She hasn't gotten a chance to live normally, but that doesn't seem to stop her. To whom? To all of us. Life is something worth having. Are you trying to say that you've never had a moment that makes you pause and think, "Wow, life is pretty wonderful"? Why? Because it's the only life we have. It's beautiful because it's limited. I'm not saying that my life won't suck. Who knows, I could end up completely homeless and starving. That doesn't make life any less worth having. Damian, it's worth more exactly because there isn't anything else. If I gave you an old Saab and told you to take care of it, would you? Would you still take care of it if I told you that you'd get a Citroen Survolt after the Saab broke down regardless of how you took care of the Honda? Catch my drift? That Saab is worth more to you because it's the only car you get. If you get the Survolt afterwards, then who really cares what happens to the Saab? It's the same with life and an afterlife. Life is more valuable because it's the only shot we get. An afterlife devalues this current life. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 13:29, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- how poetic... oh I forgot you're 17... how about those people who haven't gotten a chance to live normally? You say life is precious or beautiful... to whom, why? It's actually quite meaningless if we think that there is nothing else... even if that were true... there is no reason in knowing that. Such hopelessness is too much even for me--Kingdamian1 (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- [EC] Hear, Hear. Daev (talk) 02:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- So isn't that bad... What's the point of even knowing that, or believing that! It's a sad thought!--Kingdamian1 (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Atheists and the afterlife[edit]
There are many different kinds of atheist - and most religious people will be atheist-with-respect-to-other-gods. Plus there are agnostics, theists and others. Some 'atheists, agnostics, theists etc' will believe in an afterlife, reincarnation, 'return to the one-ness of the universe' etc - and some religious people do not believe in an afterlife.
Whatever one believes - living life, enjoying what one can, and, as far as possible add to knowledge/happiness/general positives rather than the reverse: whatever happens afterwards one will benefit (and this is the lucky horseshoe theory reworked). 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
As For Me...[edit]
I panic for a few seconds, accept what is inevitable, and then resolve to carry on with my life while making other people's lives better in the process. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2017 (UTC)