Essay talk:Fornication

"Sex seen as good"

This probably has more to do with traditionalist vs progressive social morals. Example 1: The sexual revolution was hardly an antitheist movement -- yet it rebelled against constrictive traditional norms. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 03:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I am not necessarily talking about how it started... I am more talking about modern society? It is seen as a positive thing. People make up all these terms (dating, casual sex etc)... but it is seen as a good thing, as opposed to embarrassing/sinful... I think that in the modern society, this has a lot to do... with people losing moral compass... hence atheism!Kingdamian1 (talk) 03:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kingdamian1, do you honestly think people need to be atheists in order to lose their moral compass? IMHO, one of the major messages of the Bible is that we are all broken, sinful people, completely undeserving of salvation, saved purely through grace. To paraphrase Timothy Keller: "We are all more sinful and broken than we ever dared to believe but we are more loved and accepted than we ever dared to hope." If only atheists lost their moral compass, confession would not be such a huge part of Christian worship. --Bertrc (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

(Oops. Sry thought I was on a talk page) 2d4chanfag (talk) 03:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. --Bertrc (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

God's holes

Please accept this meek comic. For blessed are the cheesemakers... Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I delete this page?--Kingdamian1 (talk) 14:15, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

You're not allowed to delete the talk page, if you mean the essay itself click on the arrow (next to "fossil record" at the top) and click vaporize. Christopher (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

*HA*!!! :-D That comic is awesome! And remember, it wasn't meant to be literal; it refers to any manufacturer of dairy products --Bertrc (talk) 22:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

If you say so... Big nose. (Just kidding ) Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:48, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Question

Actually, I don't get the point. What do you mean by "Fornication"? I don't think the Bible has anything against sex, in and of itself. In fact (as I proposed in your "Homosexuality" debate) I think sex is one of the gifts God has given us. Heck, have you read the stuff in the Song of Solomon? --Bertrc (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Like anything mentioned enough in the Bible, different books will have different attitudes to sex. From the bits of the Bible I have read (~0) I did get the impression that sex for anything other than procreation was evil. Christopher (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Likewise, Christopher, any sex for procreation was good. Rape, incest, purchasing women, prostitutes, harems, ploygamy. Hell, God even condoned murder after Himself murdering an innocent child in retribution, and even had His Son born from the line of the resulting adulterous relationship. -- Onychoprion (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

In anticipation of someone saying "we don't live in a desert anymore, these rules don't apply"please read this. Christopher (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@Onychoprion, just because something occurs in the bible doesn't mean that it is a good thing. Countless examples are provided to show you the problems. Look at the life of Jacob and Joseph. He was the partiarch of Israel, and yet the disaster of his family is held up as an example of how everything falls apart and breaks due to his worship of Rachel. --Bertrc (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Christopher... while the main function of sex is procreation... The Bible DOES NOT regard sex as evil... Sex is supposed to be pleasurable! --Kingdamian1 (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Kingdamian1, I disagree. Where does the bible support that procreation is the main purpose of sex? I stand by the claim that the main function of sex (and intimacy) is to give us a poor reflection of the trinity -- ie. Of the relationship the three persons of God have among themselves and of the relationship God wants with us. (@Christopher, this is also a response to your first post, but if you've only read ~0 books of the bible, then I'm not pressing too hard for you to cite examples. :-) ) --Bertrc (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)