Forum:Am I a misogynist?

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I do not consider Anita Sarkeesian to be a good voice for female gamers everywhere (I am more inclined to believe that flyingomelette, Kim Justice and codiekitty are this). Does that mean that I am a misogynist?

I enjoy guro comics somewhat (like here, but some of works of the genre are all about finding enjoyment in woman being beaten to death. I do not enjoy it when they do that though. I would in fact love to know if there is a female somewhere making a twist on the genre. Does that make of me a misogynist?

I dislike the term patriarchy when referring to older civilizations. I prefer the term exoikopatriarchy, or the father is the boss outside of the house, because in my class of Greek they said to me that during Ancient Greece that many woman were responsible for the affairs inside the house and that the man could not decide anything about it. The woman was also the leader of many slaves, as evidenced by the fact that slaves talked about "their mistress" and not about "their master". Does that also mean that I am a misogynist?

I am all for it that woman get jobs because it allowed for a more male-oriented style of cooking to get developed. Am I a misogynist?

I agree with the Mysterious Mr. Enter that male discrimination (like mentioned here) needs to cease to exist and I dislike feminists because I have not seen a feminist yet addressing this issue. Is this foreshadowing that I am a misogynist?

I have a tendency to see things as how they were in the 19th century (I, for instance, see liberals as rich people that only want profit and that are ready to walk over bodies to get that profit they so desire). Is that misogynist?— Unsigned, by: Hex4 / talk / contribs

I'd say no to all of those. However, it is possible that someone could hold all of those opinions and still be a misogynist though. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
I really don't understand the point of this whole thing. Also, "I, for instance, see liberals as rich people that only want profit and that are ready to walk over bodies to get that profit they so desire" What? So you're saying letting conservatives remove minimum wage laws and such is somehow egalitarian? Perhaps I misunderstood you but it seems you live in a different world entirely. Also, sign your posts. Lord Aeonian (talk) 02:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
"I agree with the Mysterious Mr. Enter that male discrimination (like mentioned here) needs to cease to exist and I dislike feminists because I have not seen a feminist yet addressing this issue." This couldn't be further from the truth. Basically all of the male stereotypes listed in the linked video is what feminists refer to as toxic masculinity, which proves you wrong that feminists have never addressed this particular issue. And before you believe that I flipped the issue back as being exclusively a male problem, no, toxic masculinity isn't only perpetrated by men but also by women (as I see it done often quite regularly at work). So you dislike feminists for allegedly ignoring one issue for which you care about even if you would agree with any other issue they would raise?NameThatNobodyTakes () 06:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I wouldn't say so from the things you listed. NameThatNobodyTakes pretty much addressed the Toxic Masculinity point (perhaps with a bit more vitriol than I would have).
I'd probably also separate "outright misogynist" from "having a few misogynistic views, whether deliberate or no." It's very much not a black and white thing. It's like the difference between believing that the Chinese are a scourge upon mankind or are all greedy Commie cheapskates looking to destroy America, and believing that the Chinese woman in the Honda in front of you might not be a good driver because Asian drivers amirite (Everyone's a little bit racist ♫) ℕoir LeSable (talk) 18:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
"the Chinese woman in the Honda in front of you might not be a good driver because Asian drivers amirite" No? I'm not a SJW, but I try to recognize and confront anytime I'm embracing stereotypes, whether they seem harmless or not. If anything, I like having a less fettered view of the world. Lord Aeonian (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the point. Some people do, some people don't. But having a few false or hurtful stereotypical views does not automatically slap you with an *ist label. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

That's an interesting stereotype. I've never heard of it before. It makes no sense why Asians would be bad drivers. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

If anything, the stereotype should be that Russians are bad drivers. A simple Google search will imply why. Again; if anything. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Russians also have much more dashcams, so the appearance of them being worse drivers may be driven(!) by this fact. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 12:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

D'aaw, you ruined the joke... (I know, Pb. In fact, the case of bad Russian drivers is a textbook example of "hidden statistics" - the Russians use dash cams largely as a result of the very crappy Russian insurance- and legal system. You basically need stuff on film to prove it. Thus, lots of people use dash cams that film constantly. And Russia, being a country on earth, is inhabited by humans - just like you and me - who think that bizarre and dramatic minor car accidents are worthy to be uploaded to the Internet. And so, we end up with a huge volume of Russian car accident videos on YouTube and other popular video sites.) Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
But we also got some excellent footage of the Chelyabinsk meteor :) Flannan Isle (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm a Korean-American who grew up in an area with a lot of 1st, 1.5, and 2nd gen East-Asians. I've heard this stereotype a lot. I mean, to be fair, there's a lot to be said about driving culture in Korea, and there's a reason why that South Korea is up near the top in fatalities per 1Bil vehicle-kilometers and annual pedestrian-vehicle fatalities, and some of it does transfer over here, but eh. ℕoir LeSable (talk) 19:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
A more male-oriented style of cooking? If you make a sauce in a way that is only possible because you're male, I don't want to eat it. Fonzie (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
The fact you are worried about being a misogynist probably means you aren't one. If you really were one, you wouldn't give a fuck. According to wikipedia, misogyny is manifested through:
  • social exclusion
  • sex discrimination
  • hostility
  • androcentrism
  • patriarchy
  • ideas of male privilege
  • belittling of women
  • violence against women (in real life, your fap material doesn't count)
  • sexual objectification.
tl;dr: Stop listening to tumblr feminists. —€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 03:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)