Fun talk:New Mexico

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• New Mexico is the ONLY place you will go where NO ONE will admit they are mexican even though they are almost all dark skinned with thick hairy facial features. They will all insist they are "spanish". Little do they know that real Spanish people are white skinned with european features. MOST ANNOYING THING EVER!

Personally this feels a little off colour to me but if anyone else thinks it's snark or cheery banter then, by all means, put it back. Bad Faith (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

It's pretty much ill informed, racist bullshit. Most people in New Mexico are proud of their state's history as part of Mexico. They are proud of their Indian cultures, and proud of the fact that they actually have real tradition, instead of the rest of the US who's "tradition" seems to be Micky D's and frozen pizza, and football. BON is from AZ, right? ;-)--GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 14:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

And by the way, BON, spanish are not "white skinned". They, and greeks and italians, and southern france are more of a slightly burned pizza - color. Tasty, though.--GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 14:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Hispanics who have had their entire new world history in New Mexico do get pissed if you call them "Mexican", because Mexican is a nationality, and they are not from Mexico. They are NEW Mexican, and thus prefer the term "Hispanic". I have never heard them use the term "Spanish". Also, the rest of the stuff added in there are not actually true. I'm fixing it now. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 17:16, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I Have no idea where you are getting your info, but

1. The offical language per their constitution is Spanish and English. They say this on the State's govt page, as well as on wiki pedia. The bi-lingual programs are encouraged by cities (again this is on their official web page, if you care). Their constitution is in Spanish, officially, from the day the state was made. The State's official web page says that they embraced the MEXICAN culture and heritage, and respect and honor their mexican history. As for Dine, that's what the Navaho call their language, thank you very much. Try their own site as well. GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 17:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Read the rest of the article. "New Mexico is commonly thought to have Spanish as an official language alongside English, due to the widespread usage of Spanish in the state. Although the original state constitution of 1912 provided for a temporarily bilingual government, New Mexico has no official language." If you say that the Constitution is in Spanish, then you can easily provide a link to it in Spanish. (Hint: you can't, it's not available in Spanish.)

Wikipedia says the Navajo people call themselves either Dine or Nabaaho, they also use "Navajo" for the article, and for the language name. I am aware that in the Navajo language they prefer to refer to themselves as "Dine", but in English, they are Navajo. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 17:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The language name is Dine. They are navajo, but they speak Dine. GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 17:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Wait, found a Spanish version of the NM Constitution... sec. (Laws are still only passed and valid in English. Namely, you can't use the wording in the Spanish version to argue in Court.) --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 17:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The offical language per their constitution is Spanish and English. They say this on the State's govt page, as well as on wiki pedia. The bi-lingual programs are encouraged by cities (again this is on their official web page, if you care). Their constitution is in Spanish, officially, from the day the state was made. The State's official web page says that they embraced the MEXICAN culture and heritage, and respect and honor their mexican history. As for Dine, that's what the Navaho call their language, thank you very much. Try their own site as well. GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 17:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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Fair enough, i'll revert. --GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 17:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Please, actually read the Constitution. There are a number of provisions for English and Spanish, but none of them declare English and Spanish to be "official languages". Also, the Constitution provides that, although Amendments to the Constitution must be English/Spanish, Laws need only be published in English and Spanish for twenty years after the Constitution is ratified, and there after "as the legislature may provide", which currently is "only English". As for bilingual schools, I WENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM HERE IN NEW MEXICO, as well, my mother was an elementary school teacher here, and my God-Mother is a middle school teacher. Bilingual programs are provided to ensure Article XII Section 10 of the NM Constitution "Educational rights of children of Spanish descent." Not so that English speaking children will learn Spanish, but rather so that Spanish speaking children can learn English without going remedial because they're spending their first few years of education only learning English. Rather, the classes teach English, as well as providing education in Spanish. My mother taught a 4th grader who was coming out of the Bilingual program into the mainstream program.

Although, to be fair, in my Middle school, we had a mandatory half-semester class of Spanish, and they provided a full course in Spanish as well. No other language had that early of an opportunity. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 17:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Growl. As I said, I reverted. Please don't lecture once someone gets it. ok. Only lecture us until we get it. :-) GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 18:02, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it was in progress when you were stating that you "got it", thus it was already drafted and being posted before I read your comment. --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 01:12, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I figured, hence the smily. I disagree about dine, just cause i'm used to useing the name of the actual language vs., the people, but otherwise, it's no big deal. and your links to the language are undeniable. :-) --GodotTue pour toujours, et tu veux vivre aussi. 01:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I understand your argument for using "Diné", but then, we don't call German "Deutsch", we don't call Dutch "Nederlands", we don't call Japanese "Nihon(go)", there are a number of languages that we refer to names that are not the names that they call it themselves, and there's nothing wrong with that. It is simply the wider convention. And as long as it is obscuring the Navajo language by calling it "Diné", it wouldn't be appropriate to use the "proper" term for the language. But then, as you said, you "get it", but this webpage is partly about fostering a better understanding and agreement, rather than beating people over the head with "zOMG NO MAI WAI IS RIGHT!!!" ... or at least, that's what I tell myself as I huddle in the corner of my closet at night... --Eira ^{OMTG! _{The Goat be Praised.}} 05:50, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Last time I was there, back in the pre-Plague era, I espied a Youth wearing a T-shaped shirt reading: “NEW MEXICO: It's not new and it’s not Mexico!”. Make of that what you will. Mr Larrington (talk) 17:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

A war that Mexico started

I've always been slightly disarmed by oversimplified formulations like this that are taught in middle school. Another is "The South started the Civil War." In both cases the casus belli is considered in the most simplistic terms possible: who fired the first shot. However, in the Mexican-American war, the initial aggressors were the American invaders, even if Mexican cavalry took the first blood. Oh, and the article needs work. Blue (is useful) 21:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

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This article was written by someone who has never been to NM ^{— Unsigned, by: 76.127.1.135 / talk / contribs} 04:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)