Talk:Alt-center
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White supremacist Ryan Faulk also described himself as an alt-centrist (or something similar to that effect). Muslim guy (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
No evidence that Quillette editors or contributors are alt-right; editor in chief is a woman and an associate editor is Jewish[edit]
@Greenrd I'm newer than you but the paper Quillette is listed on this site as both alt-right and alt-center, and simply stating some one is a woman or Jewish doesn't cut the mustard with me at least. Doesn't magically stop them from having bigoted views. Féinléiriú (talk) 11:35, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- Well we don't seem to have included much evidence supporting the claims, but The Outline, Slate, The Daily Beast, and Politico support it. — Dysk (contribs) 11:47, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- The Outline doesn't say they're alt-right directly, it just insinuates it. The Slate piece doesn't even mention the word "alt-right" once, so I don't know why you included it. The Daily Beast doesn't say Quillette is alt-right - it says one of their articles classifies the alt-right as conservatives, which is weird and a bit suspicious, but not direct proof. As for Politico, I can't even work out what they're trying to say when they mention the alt-right at the end of the article - it appears the last paragraph got butchered in the editing process. Did you just literally Google "Quillette alt-right" and post the results without even reading them?!
- And I can go further with my argument: Quillette have a contributor who is black. Pretty unlikely thing for an alt-right publication to have, wouldn't you think? Seeing as alt-right is basically a euphemism for far right. You can't just tag random people you don't like as alt-right just because they happen to share some views with the alt-right. Hitler was against smoking - does that make anyone who is pro-tobacco-regulation a Nazi? Clearly not. Likewise, not everyone who has "race realist" views is a fascist. Not everyone who disagrees with trans activists on some things is a bigot. Not everyone who disagrees with radical feminists is an anti-feminist. In fact, Claire Lehman, by disagreeing with both radical feminists and radical trans activists and publishing more nuanced opinions in between the two, has shown herself to be centrist on at least one issue.--Greenrd (talk) 12:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- I don't really see how that disapproves the point though. Also the far-right has lots of non-white people in it. This has even been reported on. — Dysk (contribs) 12:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- "Quillette have a contributor who is black." not an argument at all, fuck me. That's like "I can't be racist I have a black friend". Have you heard of the likes of Candace Owens. Féinléiriú (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
- I don't really see how that disapproves the point though. Also the far-right has lots of non-white people in it. This has even been reported on. — Dysk (contribs) 12:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
The trifling matter of evidence[edit]
I can find no evidence that either Nathan Cofnas, or Noah Carl, has ever labelled themselves as "alt-center". Is there any? If not, shouldn't they both be removed from this page?--Greenrd (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- They don't specifically need to use the label; both Carl and Cofnas try to present themselves as centrists who oppose both far-right and far-left extremes, when their views are more or less far/alt-right (only minus in Cofnas' case the anti-Semitism.) Cofnas has 1745 tweets; I've failed to find him having a normal discussion - all he unhealthily fixates with is race/ethnicity, race and IQ and Kevin MacDonald etc. Someone so obsessed with these sort topics to the extent they look nuts is not a political centrist.Tobias (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- That's not what centrist means. Centrist doesn't mean both not-far-right and not-far-left; it's more specific than that. It means at, or near, the political center. Most people are not of the far left or of the far right - that doesn't, in and of itself, make them centrists. Have either of them ever called themselves centrists, even? If not, you're constructing a straw man only to knock it down very efficiently, which is not actually very impressive, I regret to inform you.--Greenrd (talk) 22:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Greenrd, you seem be labouring under the erroneous impression we can only call someone something if they self identify as that thing. It isn't very helpful. — Dysk (contribs) 22:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- That's not what centrist means. Centrist doesn't mean both not-far-right and not-far-left; it's more specific than that. It means at, or near, the political center. Most people are not of the far left or of the far right - that doesn't, in and of itself, make them centrists. Have either of them ever called themselves centrists, even? If not, you're constructing a straw man only to knock it down very efficiently, which is not actually very impressive, I regret to inform you.--Greenrd (talk) 22:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Lets provide an example; Cofnas' laughable attempt to try to present himself as a "race realist" between "race denying liberals" and the alt-right:
“”I had more respect for the alt-right 5 months ago [...] But now [...] They are no different from liberals who deny race differences.
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Who is meant to believe this BS? So we're expected to believe he's not alt-right, despite sharing their "race realism"/HBD views. And read the whole thread on that link. Plenty of other individuals have pointed out his views on race are more or less alt-right.Tobias (talk) 22:11, 1 May 2019 (UTC)