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Death of the brand 'Alt-right'?[edit]

An interesting read, if nothing else. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 21:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The term "alt-right" is perfectly useful as applied to the modern recrudescence of various supremacist/separatist movements grouped into one semi-coherent set. This article tends to lose the plot where it stoops to labeling other groups not known to be proponents of white-dominated ideologies. For example, why is Gamergate even mentioned? It is a an ephemeral artifact of digital entertainment media. Or, what about associating those opposed to social-Marxism with white supremacists? I myself am a serious critic of Marxist theories. Do I have to be white now?Ariel31459 (talk) 00:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

What's "social" Marxism? Is it in any way related to Cultural Marxism? Evil Zionist (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
On reconsideration I think it is better not to conflate modern social issues with the "...-Marxism" label as some have done in reaction to certain developments in social justice movements. Reactionaries have done so. The term is too loaded to get a fair hearing.Ariel31459 (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
The term is only loaded among those who don't know what Marxism actually is. You, yourself, don't seem to fully understand what Marxism is. You sound like a typical Jordan Peterson or Steven Pinker true-believer. Stop getting your worldview from simple-minded pop academics on youtube and you might start to be taken seriously. (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Much of gamergate eventually coalesced into a form of fascist entryism into gaming culture and is a movement that very blatantly overlaps with alt right thought. Anyone familiar with these movements can attest to this. Whether or not it's an "ephemeral artifact of digital entertainment media" (lol), it remains alt right--or do you seriously believe that the alt right is incapable of influencing thought outside of more traditional political fora? Moreover, by claiming "Social Marxism" is a thing, and whining about "SJWs" you've essentially outed yourself as someone whose worldview is shaped by alt lite propaganda. Congratulations, you're a political illiterate. (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Comment inserted into article in chief[edit]

Among various edits to the article, User: inserted the following text:

[strong disagreement between the idea that neo-fascists need media attention and the media needs neo-fascists. It's most likely that neo-fascists, like any other group of assholes, really only need each other, and once enough of them have gathered together, the media cannot ignore them, especially as the media could not even ignore "planking" {remember, it's all been corrupted by the blacks...everything except the idea of white-supremacy, of course}.]

This seems to be more of a comment, so I've preserved it on the talk page. I have no strong opinion. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 18:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

A matter of definition[edit]

The introduction to this article does not contain a single reference. I have understood the term to primarily designate any recently formed group calling for, or supporting white supremacy. There is a variety of opinion: The Southern Poverty Law Center defines it as,

"The Alternative Right, commonly known as the Alt-Right, is a set of far-right ideologies, groups and individuals whose core belief is that “white identity” is under attack by multicultural forces using “political correctness” and “social justice” to undermine white people and “their” civilization. Characterized by heavy use of social media and online memes, Alt-Righters eschew “establishment” conservatism, skew young, and embrace white ethno-nationalism as a fundamental value."

By this definition I take it that the modern academic formulations of social justice concepts led to a series of reactions known as the alt-right, even as the American Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s led to the reformation of the Republican Party into a virtually all-white party.

More succinctly Wikipedia defines alt-right as: "The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely defined group of people with far-right ideologies who reject mainstream conservatism in favor of white nationalism."

This introduction needs more references. This definition appears a little too customized.Ariel31459 (talk) 16:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

We really don't need to cite stuff that's already cited elsewhere in the article - David Gerard (talk) 12:26, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
OK. How about the fact that "Alt-right" is actually a buzz-word for a bunch of actual events and media artifacts that are only connected by varieties of white-nationalism?Ariel31459 (talk) 14:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Individuals and groups claim to be alt-right, regardless of the media's general incapability, you politically illiterate ignoramus. It is an actual thing. Jesus Christ, are you serious with this shit? (talk) 22:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes. The question is: are you serious? Evidently not.Ariel31459 (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Trying to Add Content But It Won't Let Me[edit]

I've been trying to edit the section "Men are Under Attack" by adding a quote from a book that I think summarizes the alt-rights views on women and feminism quite well. However, every time I try to add it, the website won't let me, saying that it's "harmful" and "spam", even though it really isn't. I'm just inserting a quite from a book that just sums up the alt-right's beliefs but does not condone or endorse them in any way. Could someone please tell me how to add the content? NotYourAverageBoN (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Avalon (and car)[edit]

The article states that the name Avalon was taken from the name of the Toyota Avalon. This is almost certainly false - Avalon is a location of Arthurian mythology. Somebody else happening to use the name for something else is irrelevant. — Unsigned, by: / talk

I think it's supposed to be a joke. --Gospatric (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
i thought so but then i looked and its really not. the whole section is a nonsensical mess. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
ive removed the suggestion as joke or not it was painfully unfunny. i also removed what followed as it was similarly made of shite. please people, do not try to shoehorn crap jokes in everywhere at the expense of a cogent argument - we look like fucking idiots. 'snarky point of view' (i cringe everytime i see that mentioned) does not mean shitty jokes. The stuff i removed was in the white nation section which now looks a little light, if anybody who knows about this stuff wants add anything useful. AMassiveGay (talk) 16:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)